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Old 10th Feb 2012, 13:59
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Thanks ShyTorque &
Thing,

Ahh! I was just going to say that I used the airfield identifier as the point but it did not give me the airfield notams.

That might explain it. I'll try again.

I'll never nip anybodies ear again for not reading the notams.

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Old 10th Feb 2012, 14:00
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I just tried this; for some reason it also gave me enroute info for the EGPX FIR
The Scottish FIR data appears there because the originators of the NOTAM gave it an effective radius of 999 miles.
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 14:06
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The Scottish FIR data appears there because the originators of the NOTAM gave it an effective radius of 999 miles.
Aha! The Scottish folk are always trying it on
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I always log onto the AIS website to check NOTAMs prior to flying anywhere, not only to check the information but in the event of an accident and subsequent insurance claim the insurers may try to wriggle out of their liabilities by claiming that the pilot did not check the NOTAMs which are a legal requirement.

The AIS website can record whether an individual pilot logged into and out of the AIS website and what information was accessed.
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I am no lawyer but wonder if that would work (denying a payout) because one can get a briefing from countless other sources, both wx and notams.

The insurer is obliged to meet the claim unless he can get out of it, and he could never prove (on a balance of probability) that the pilot did not a briefing from a different source.

Wx briefing is also a legal requirement, I think, but the same issue applies. How many pilots brief from the UKMO website?
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Old 10th Feb 2012, 14:36
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It's worth noting that while there may be a legal obligation to check the NOTAMs, it doesn't say which source you should get them from. The AIS website has just as many disclaimers as other sources (more, in fact, usually) about the data.
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And for those who check notams (e.g. at home) hours or even days before an intended flight:

1. Don’t forget the update feature on the AIS site – just tells you anything that changed; and


2. Don’t forget the free telephone call system you can use at the aerodrome just before take-off – tells you anything new, e.g. TRA due to a fuel store fire etc.

The AIS system may not be as user-friendly as some, but it is u/f enough to serve, and can be up to date to the minute.

It would be hard for any insurer to be dubious if one has used the official system, either on its own or as a cross-check on what other systems tell.

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Old 10th Feb 2012, 18:32
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While we're on the topic, there are always Notams for flying of 'large metal kites' around here. What is a large metal kite? May I pre empt the obvious and say that I know it's a large metal kite.........
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I don't know about the kites, but I was talking to a guy the other day responsible for a "model rockets" notam.

He assures me they are not the model rockets you may think of.
They are military rockets.

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Metal kites? If it's the one I'm thinking of, large birds of prey are trained to fly to and from it. Try ringing the originator's contact telephone number and he will explain all.
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guess he forgot to check the NOTAMS

See what happens when you forget to check notams...
BBC News - 'Pot plane' invades President Barack Obama's airspace
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Old 17th Feb 2012, 09:48
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Originally Posted by dont overfil
I don't know about the kites, but I was talking to a guy the other day responsible for a "model rockets" notam.

He assures me they are not the model rockets you may think of.
They are military rockets.

D.O.
I used to be quite involved with amateur rocketry.

They may be tiny little things the size and mass of a chocolate bar, maybe making 2000ft. They may be the size of a sidewinder, albeit massing "only" a few kg, and reaching 5000ft+.

The biggest danger with model rockets is probably not whilst they're on their way up - the flight time is very short and a visual check for aircraft is always made. It is probably whilst the payload is slowly making its way back down under a parachute, most likely drifting, and clearly under no control. There may be a longish cord between the chute and the payload, which could quite probably bugger up a prop, or a payload which might be in a metal case (particularly if it includes the casing of a larger rocket motor) that would make you wish for a good straightforward birdstrike.

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Old 17th Feb 2012, 09:50
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And I bet the crew of this aircraft wish the 'Work in progress' NOTAM had actually been published in the first place!

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