Do you always check notams
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One of the things that made me ask the origional question was the number of times I hear people booking out then changing their intentions once airborne and zapping off to a field in the opposite direction.
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It is Apple friendly in the sense that Silverlight (the required plug-in) will work happily on desktops and Macbooks.
As for the iPad, "there are no announcements to be made at this time" is my stock response. Keep your eyes open for news.
As for the iPad, "there are no announcements to be made at this time" is my stock response. Keep your eyes open for news.
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Cottesmore or Wittering ?
My understanding is that Cottesmore has been operating a LARS and ATC for Wittering but since all Cottesmore radar services are due to close on 31/03/2012 (ref E9321) , I assume that Wittering will have its own ATC ?
Does anyone know any different ?
Does anyone know any different ?
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I was wondering that, according to the map Wittering Approach have the same frequency as Cottesmore LARS. Not sure what they do at Wittering these days, is it just gliding or do the army have choppers there?
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Cottesmore LARS & Wittering ATC
My understanding is that Cottesmore radar (LARS and ATC Wittering) will cease to operate wef 31/03/12 so presumably the work they have been doing for Wittering will transfer to Wittering?
Does anyone know any different ?
Does anyone know any different ?
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I have just checked in my new edition of Terminal Charts North published by AIDU and Cottesmore no longer feature and Wittering approach is 234.075 and Tower 125.525 - if thats any help! 
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During my Atpl theory training
Lecturer: Class, what is a NOTAM?
Student: notices to airmen sir.
Lecture: and what is a snowtam?
Some Wag at the back of the class: Notices to Snowmen Sir
Lecturer: Class, what is a NOTAM?
Student: notices to airmen sir.
Lecture: and what is a snowtam?
Some Wag at the back of the class: Notices to Snowmen Sir
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I worked for 6 years as a commercial helicopter pilot based close to London flying the length nd breadth of the country and in that time never saw a NOTAM except on very rare occasions when stopping at larger airfields. This was in the late 80s/ early 90s when they were only available by subscription on teleprinter or fax and my bosses did not want to pay for them. They simply were not available to me, much as I would have liked to have seen them. However I never once found I needed them.
As this is the internet and many won't bother to actually read what I've written, let alone try to understand it I suppose I must add the entirely superfluous rider that I'm not saying this was correct, or that it would be adviseable to follow suit in today's environment.
Mind you, in my current airline our NOTAMS are filtered by Jeppesen for the route and type of operation and we are still buried in reams of irrelevant dross that can make it very hard to find if there is actually anything relevant buried in it, and all too easy to miss it if there is. What unfiltered NOTAMS must be like these days I hate to guess, but suspect there must be so much of it that it's practically worthless.
As this is the internet and many won't bother to actually read what I've written, let alone try to understand it I suppose I must add the entirely superfluous rider that I'm not saying this was correct, or that it would be adviseable to follow suit in today's environment.
Mind you, in my current airline our NOTAMS are filtered by Jeppesen for the route and type of operation and we are still buried in reams of irrelevant dross that can make it very hard to find if there is actually anything relevant buried in it, and all too easy to miss it if there is. What unfiltered NOTAMS must be like these days I hate to guess, but suspect there must be so much of it that it's practically worthless.
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Absolutely spot on. It was not high up on the easily available information list in the 1980s.
I know there are still people out there that do not use them or understand the limitations of the archaic notam system.
Thank Christ for Skydemon.
D.O.
Absolutely spot on. It was not high up on the easily available information list in the 1980s.
I know there are still people out there that do not use them or understand the limitations of the archaic notam system.
Thank Christ for Skydemon.
D.O.
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Very much agree, and one has to wonder how aviation got on before the days of the internet...
When I did my PPL in 2000/2001, we never discussed notams. But that was before the original ais.org.uk website set up; it started being usable c. 2003.
I think what has happened is that today every tom dick and harry can squirt notams into the system so there is a fantastic amount of dross.
But one still has to read them, especially in the summer (aviation show RAs). With a narrow route briefing, just looking at the E) line does the job nicely - but airfield notams must be read whole.
When I did my PPL in 2000/2001, we never discussed notams. But that was before the original ais.org.uk website set up; it started being usable c. 2003.
I think what has happened is that today every tom dick and harry can squirt notams into the system so there is a fantastic amount of dross.
But one still has to read them, especially in the summer (aviation show RAs). With a narrow route briefing, just looking at the E) line does the job nicely - but airfield notams must be read whole.
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During a dual cross country some years ago. On the leg from Southend back to Shoreham we passed a very shiny Wessex helicopter heading the other way.
Me: “That must be the Royal Flight.”
Instr: “What Royal Flight?”
Me: “The one in the NOTAMS, didn’t you see it?”
Instr: “Oh, Sh!t.”
Don’t you just hate a smart-ass Stude…
Me: “That must be the Royal Flight.”
Instr: “What Royal Flight?”
Me: “The one in the NOTAMS, didn’t you see it?”
Instr: “Oh, Sh!t.”
Don’t you just hate a smart-ass Stude…
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NOTAMs have increased in volume enormously since I started gliding in 1970.
Then, it was about 1 ½ pages of items for a week, for the whole country or perhaps just the whole FIR, plus a map, IIRC. Hardly ever anything to worry about – the occasional royal flight, airshows, not much else. (The UK AIP was updated by separate paper amendments.)
I have seen a 31 page printout of a complete set under the current system. We see lamp posts moved, taxiway repairs. All sorts of stuff irrelevant to GA flying – but it is the universal way to tell everyone anything they might need to know including things that later go into the UK AIP. Thank goodness we also have a filter system – narrow route, point brief or whatever.
Some of the increase is in things never done, or never NOTAMmed in the old days – bird training, rockets, etc.
Chris N
Then, it was about 1 ½ pages of items for a week, for the whole country or perhaps just the whole FIR, plus a map, IIRC. Hardly ever anything to worry about – the occasional royal flight, airshows, not much else. (The UK AIP was updated by separate paper amendments.)
I have seen a 31 page printout of a complete set under the current system. We see lamp posts moved, taxiway repairs. All sorts of stuff irrelevant to GA flying – but it is the universal way to tell everyone anything they might need to know including things that later go into the UK AIP. Thank goodness we also have a filter system – narrow route, point brief or whatever.
Some of the increase is in things never done, or never NOTAMmed in the old days – bird training, rockets, etc.
Chris N
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I agree there is a lot of "semi-permanent dross" in the NOTAMS, however, it's obviously important to know in advance about TDAs, TRAs, Temporary Class A airspace etc.
Otherwise the first time you might know about their existence is in retrospect, via a nasty invitation from the enforcement branch of the CAA.
I've never found any problem using the AIS NOTAM website system. What do pilots find so unsatisfactory about it?
Otherwise the first time you might know about their existence is in retrospect, via a nasty invitation from the enforcement branch of the CAA.
I've never found any problem using the AIS NOTAM website system. What do pilots find so unsatisfactory about it?
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It is better than it was but it is not friendly for the bimblers. (According to my limited knowledge of the system.)
Narrow route brief is fine on a pre planned route.
Airfield notam is fine for the specific airfield.
Is there a way of getting notams for say a 30 mile radius of an airfield without getting the whole FIR?
D.O.
Narrow route brief is fine on a pre planned route.
Airfield notam is fine for the specific airfield.
Is there a way of getting notams for say a 30 mile radius of an airfield without getting the whole FIR?
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Is there a way of getting notams for say a 30 mile radius of an airfield without getting the whole FIR?
However, Click on "Point Brief" and put in a radius of 30nm.....
I just tried this; for some reason it also gave me enroute info for the EGPX FIR (the point I put in was an airfield in EGTT but that's easily discounted simply by not reading it).
The radius seemed to work OK because I see only the usual NOTAMS in the local area that I'm already aware of.
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