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Folks I really would suggest that we leave this one alone for the family.
Look up Baux score and you will see what I mean.
Appart from the usual advice of venting an area before turning switches on if there is anything flammable about. This was taught to me by my Q who promptly punched me in the face when I turned a light switch on when he had just opened a store room door. Apparently there was a reason for the extractor fan switch being outside the door.
Don't store stuff in aircraft you don't need to. Sealed bottles only kept in a secondary individual sealed bag. Don't have a carboard box of bottles of various types eg brake fluid, engine oil and WD40.
Don't have rags covered in hydrocarbons stuffed ontop of the same box.
There won't be much to tell to be honest.
There are way to many of these accidents, H&S regulations has cut them down in industry but they do still happen way to often.
Hopefully we will find out from the man himself what happened in 6-12 months.
Look up Baux score and you will see what I mean.
Appart from the usual advice of venting an area before turning switches on if there is anything flammable about. This was taught to me by my Q who promptly punched me in the face when I turned a light switch on when he had just opened a store room door. Apparently there was a reason for the extractor fan switch being outside the door.
Don't store stuff in aircraft you don't need to. Sealed bottles only kept in a secondary individual sealed bag. Don't have a carboard box of bottles of various types eg brake fluid, engine oil and WD40.
Don't have rags covered in hydrocarbons stuffed ontop of the same box.
There won't be much to tell to be honest.
There are way to many of these accidents, H&S regulations has cut them down in industry but they do still happen way to often.
Hopefully we will find out from the man himself what happened in 6-12 months.
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As per mad jock- I have to agree with what he says.
I don't think publishing percentage burns is at all helpful, conclusions can and will be drawn, and may be very wrong.
I too can see the point of discussion but % burns in particular leads to conclusions based on age which I don't think will help ANY of us understand anything any better.
Andrew
(Medical practitioner who has worked on a burns unit.)
I don't think publishing percentage burns is at all helpful, conclusions can and will be drawn, and may be very wrong.
I too can see the point of discussion but % burns in particular leads to conclusions based on age which I don't think will help ANY of us understand anything any better.
Andrew
(Medical practitioner who has worked on a burns unit.)
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One thing which has struck me in the past is that in low-end GA (that is, below the $3M turboprop level) the various cockpit switches are not hermetically sealed. They are just normal open switches.
So if you have a fuel leak you need to think twice about switching stuff on or off.
One of the many changes NASA did after the Apollo 11 fire was to make sure all switches and CBs were sealed.
Sealed switches have always been available. They tend to cost about 10x more (i.e. about £5). In the aero business, if you do stuff 100% to rule, the £5 becomes £50-100 (and nobody will be installing too many of those in a plane which sells for a mere £200k and which you have to build for less than half that. But you have that option for any retrofit work. They are easily available e.g. this.
In my TB20 the PTT button is a sealed switch, but most of the others aren't.
So if you have a fuel leak you need to think twice about switching stuff on or off.
One of the many changes NASA did after the Apollo 11 fire was to make sure all switches and CBs were sealed.
Sealed switches have always been available. They tend to cost about 10x more (i.e. about £5). In the aero business, if you do stuff 100% to rule, the £5 becomes £50-100 (and nobody will be installing too many of those in a plane which sells for a mere £200k and which you have to build for less than half that. But you have that option for any retrofit work. They are easily available e.g. this.
In my TB20 the PTT button is a sealed switch, but most of the others aren't.
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You must have been to hell and back with all that has happened to you.
I had heard of an intended insurance claim and deliberately torching the aircraft which went wrong, that was a common knowledge claim made by some as well as many other wild and bizarre claims.
My reaction was that even if true that you had suffered enough as its easy to tell a good man and sometimes desperate people do desperate things.
I am pleased that you have clarified that point.
Crellin/David Henderson/GEP took many people into his confidence. I am a very instinctive person and had bad vibes with that guy from day one. A nasty bit of stuff who would stoop to any depth sadly even Towers was taken in and he turned his evil wrath towards Towers.
I do not intend to go into the detail which was sickening.
Since then all discussion on Crellin has been banned here. I presume to save face and self protection more than anything else.
I will be surprised if this posting is allowed to develop.
PPRUNE had turned into a nasty place with self policing, dictatorship, crusades and worse. People were leaving in droves in disgust.
Recently it has been quiet and more like it used to be with people talking about aviation matters.
Regardless I admire you for going through what you have with such bravery and coming out the other side.
Its great to have you back posting and if not already! flying
Pace
You must have been to hell and back with all that has happened to you.
I had heard of an intended insurance claim and deliberately torching the aircraft which went wrong, that was a common knowledge claim made by some as well as many other wild and bizarre claims.
My reaction was that even if true that you had suffered enough as its easy to tell a good man and sometimes desperate people do desperate things.
I am pleased that you have clarified that point.
Crellin/David Henderson/GEP took many people into his confidence. I am a very instinctive person and had bad vibes with that guy from day one. A nasty bit of stuff who would stoop to any depth sadly even Towers was taken in and he turned his evil wrath towards Towers.
I do not intend to go into the detail which was sickening.
Since then all discussion on Crellin has been banned here. I presume to save face and self protection more than anything else.
I will be surprised if this posting is allowed to develop.
PPRUNE had turned into a nasty place with self policing, dictatorship, crusades and worse. People were leaving in droves in disgust.
Recently it has been quiet and more like it used to be with people talking about aviation matters.
Regardless I admire you for going through what you have with such bravery and coming out the other side.
Its great to have you back posting and if not already! flying
Pace
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Pace,
The post/thread will be staying.
All the stories started with Crellin was for his own financial gain. Nobody I know would be so stupid to deliberately torch an aircraft, especially being inside it. The aircraft was damaged, but not set on fire.
It is good to be back and if there is anything I can do to help anyone, give me a shout.
The post/thread will be staying.
All the stories started with Crellin was for his own financial gain. Nobody I know would be so stupid to deliberately torch an aircraft, especially being inside it. The aircraft was damaged, but not set on fire.
It is good to be back and if there is anything I can do to help anyone, give me a shout.
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I have no personal knowledge of any of the individuals involved in this case, although I did on occasion attempt to follow the Weaver thread.
All I can say is that is one incredible story!
All I can say is that is one incredible story!
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David, a horrific chain of events to endure.
I really don't want to believe you are such a poor judge of character thet you would marry ashallow , gullible woman. It's obvious this evil man brainwashed her when she was so vulnerable,so I have some sympathy with her actions.-however, it doesn't alter the fact that your family has been torn apart, your reputation has been assasinated, you have suffered grave injuries and ,no doubt, disfigurement and have lost property and a year of your life.
It makes my problems and no doubt, many others' pale into insignificance.
Sir, i salute you in your strength, courage and fortitude.
One would hope for justice,-if ever anyone deserved it, it's you.
Disclaimers Etc. as per Contact towers' post.
I really don't want to believe you are such a poor judge of character thet you would marry ashallow , gullible woman. It's obvious this evil man brainwashed her when she was so vulnerable,so I have some sympathy with her actions.-however, it doesn't alter the fact that your family has been torn apart, your reputation has been assasinated, you have suffered grave injuries and ,no doubt, disfigurement and have lost property and a year of your life.
It makes my problems and no doubt, many others' pale into insignificance.
Sir, i salute you in your strength, courage and fortitude.
One would hope for justice,-if ever anyone deserved it, it's you.
Disclaimers Etc. as per Contact towers' post.
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One would hope for justice
The Weaver / Crellin affair had no bearing on the awful accident that befell David
Regarding Crellin people need protecting from
The evil manipulations of that man who will stoop to the depth of depravity and shows no genuine caring towards anyone but that is a different issue to David's suffering
Pace
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Thanks all for the continued messages and PM's. 
cockney steve - unfortunately, yes, I did make that mistake with poor judgment of character. I hold myself personally responsible for this, as I had cold feet 3 times and pulled out, although the charm later succeeded and I succumbered. Lesson learnt!
Pace - You are more confident than I. At around mid March time my sister visited me in hospital (as she did many times) and produced a written transcript from an alleged Skype recorded conversation between Crellin and Weaver's girlfriend. In the transcript Weaver's girlfriend says that Weaver was in the vicinity of my "accident" and that I deserved everything. If the conversation/transcript can be believed, she also implicates Crellin. This document was sent to her by email from Crellin. My sister was told that Crellin had notified the police. But you are right Pace, we can't change backwards, the only way is forwards.
I am also receiving lots of the same questions in pm's, so I will touch the main 4 that are repeatedly asked.
Will I fly again ? You try stopping me! Once my fitness level has reached a level where I am 100% confident of passing the class 2, I will be back up in the air like a flash! I envisage this being around July time at my current rate of progress.
Am I disfigured ? Not really. I was very lucky in the grand scale of things. I had 75%-80% burn and had many hours of surgery for skin grafts, but all has now healed. No more sunbathing in the Caribbean for me.
How have the children reacted ? I have not seen my children since January 2nd last year, albeit my 1 year old daughter for 1 hour in August 2012. Whilst having a tracheoscopy fitted whilst in intensive care, (this equipment is fitted into the windpipe just below the voice box). Upon removal, my voice changed to what it once was, although gradually it has been coming back. In August, my wife brought our children to the house to see me. My middle daughter (5) walked into the house and as I said "hello" immediately ran back out of the house and said "that is not my Daddy" This alarmed my eldest daughter (9) who was behind her, who in turn also ran back to my wife's car. Since that date, my wife has refused to let me see the children, so I still currently pursuing this through various channels.
I have transferred money to you! Ladies and Gentleman. Thank you very much for your kind gestures. I, or she, did not need any money and I guess some of you already realise that this was another Kevin Crellin/GEP scam. My best advise is this. Contact PC Ian Gibband PC5525
[email protected] Telephone 01865 841148 extension 4577
It is now known that some of my personal documents have been forwarded about by Crellin. Some are genuine, some have been amended and some have been manufactured. If anyone has received any such documents from Crellin, the police would also like to hear from you.
cockney steve - unfortunately, yes, I did make that mistake with poor judgment of character. I hold myself personally responsible for this, as I had cold feet 3 times and pulled out, although the charm later succeeded and I succumbered. Lesson learnt!
Pace - You are more confident than I. At around mid March time my sister visited me in hospital (as she did many times) and produced a written transcript from an alleged Skype recorded conversation between Crellin and Weaver's girlfriend. In the transcript Weaver's girlfriend says that Weaver was in the vicinity of my "accident" and that I deserved everything. If the conversation/transcript can be believed, she also implicates Crellin. This document was sent to her by email from Crellin. My sister was told that Crellin had notified the police. But you are right Pace, we can't change backwards, the only way is forwards.
I am also receiving lots of the same questions in pm's, so I will touch the main 4 that are repeatedly asked.
Will I fly again ? You try stopping me! Once my fitness level has reached a level where I am 100% confident of passing the class 2, I will be back up in the air like a flash! I envisage this being around July time at my current rate of progress.
Am I disfigured ? Not really. I was very lucky in the grand scale of things. I had 75%-80% burn and had many hours of surgery for skin grafts, but all has now healed. No more sunbathing in the Caribbean for me.
How have the children reacted ? I have not seen my children since January 2nd last year, albeit my 1 year old daughter for 1 hour in August 2012. Whilst having a tracheoscopy fitted whilst in intensive care, (this equipment is fitted into the windpipe just below the voice box). Upon removal, my voice changed to what it once was, although gradually it has been coming back. In August, my wife brought our children to the house to see me. My middle daughter (5) walked into the house and as I said "hello" immediately ran back out of the house and said "that is not my Daddy" This alarmed my eldest daughter (9) who was behind her, who in turn also ran back to my wife's car. Since that date, my wife has refused to let me see the children, so I still currently pursuing this through various channels.
I have transferred money to you! Ladies and Gentleman. Thank you very much for your kind gestures. I, or she, did not need any money and I guess some of you already realise that this was another Kevin Crellin/GEP scam. My best advise is this. Contact PC Ian Gibband PC5525
[email protected] Telephone 01865 841148 extension 4577
It is now known that some of my personal documents have been forwarded about by Crellin. Some are genuine, some have been amended and some have been manufactured. If anyone has received any such documents from Crellin, the police would also like to hear from you.
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If you are implying that there may have been involvement in your accident then that is very serious indeed ?
You must have been to hell and back and it's very sad that you are not getting regular contact with the kids!
One positive side is that the disfigurement is not too bad and that you cannot wait to fly again!
Take care
Pace
If you are implying that there may have been involvement in your accident then that is very serious indeed ?
You must have been to hell and back and it's very sad that you are not getting regular contact with the kids!
One positive side is that the disfigurement is not too bad and that you cannot wait to fly again!
Take care
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Jetblu, I don't know you or anyone in this sorry tale, but I do know that this is one of the most horrific stories I have ever heard and if you have the fortitude to see it through and come out smiling you are a better man than me.
I salute you.
Jetblu, I don't know you or anyone in this sorry tale, but I do know that this is one of the most horrific stories I have ever heard and if you have the fortitude to see it through and come out smiling you are a better man than me.
I salute you.
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I,m with stickandrudder, I could not handle someone gratuitously dishing me that much sh&t from so many different directions affecting everything that is important like family, health, privacy, ability to earn, hobby etc. I would go absolutely postal
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Jetblu,
I'm very happy to see that you're back contributing here, that's something. I have great empathy for what you have been through. In my capacity as a volunteer firefighter, I have some experience with burns. But you know more than I do about that, so for me to "understand" would be silly - I don't. For all the time I spent in the Cessna 340, I know how hard they are to get out of quickly, particularly in the dark, but I don't really "understand" that either, 'cause I've never had to rush out of one..
It sounds like you've been given a second life, take it a run - particularly in a different direction than some people mentioned here. This tale has so many layers, I struggle to follow. But I have more background than I really expected to have anyway.
Shortly after the event, I was somehow drawn into the PM's which circulated, and I can see that suspiciously too much interest in the details was demonstrated by a person. The more I saw, the less I liked, so I distanced myself.
Last fall, a whole other much less serious, but annoying none the less, event was also linked to this person, and again, I was in the PM trail. There was certainly a loser, though darned if I could figure out why anyone need lose, 'cause there was nothing to be won on the other side. The result was the loss of a lot of good people from PPRuNe, which I understand.
It is unfortunate that a layer in your very unhappy event is linked through PPRuNe. I cannot imagine how there is anything to be gained - but then, I'm interested in planes and pilots, not intrigue.
I think you should shop out your story to a mystery movie company - they could never dream that up!
Welcome back, in every sense...
I'm very happy to see that you're back contributing here, that's something. I have great empathy for what you have been through. In my capacity as a volunteer firefighter, I have some experience with burns. But you know more than I do about that, so for me to "understand" would be silly - I don't. For all the time I spent in the Cessna 340, I know how hard they are to get out of quickly, particularly in the dark, but I don't really "understand" that either, 'cause I've never had to rush out of one..
It sounds like you've been given a second life, take it a run - particularly in a different direction than some people mentioned here. This tale has so many layers, I struggle to follow. But I have more background than I really expected to have anyway.
Shortly after the event, I was somehow drawn into the PM's which circulated, and I can see that suspiciously too much interest in the details was demonstrated by a person. The more I saw, the less I liked, so I distanced myself.
Last fall, a whole other much less serious, but annoying none the less, event was also linked to this person, and again, I was in the PM trail. There was certainly a loser, though darned if I could figure out why anyone need lose, 'cause there was nothing to be won on the other side. The result was the loss of a lot of good people from PPRuNe, which I understand.
It is unfortunate that a layer in your very unhappy event is linked through PPRuNe. I cannot imagine how there is anything to be gained - but then, I'm interested in planes and pilots, not intrigue.
I think you should shop out your story to a mystery movie company - they could never dream that up!
Welcome back, in every sense...
I agree with Pilot Dar,
Although it may seem crass (to some) to shop out your story to a movie company, there are some things to gain from doing so in my opinion.
1. You can tell your story, as you have done here on PPRuNe, to help others stay away from horrendous people like Crellin et al...
2. Your story is one of courage. To see the positive side of a bad situation and make a conscious choice to follow a path to new found success and happiness.
3. To earn some cash to help pay your medical bills, and donate to your Flying School for the Disabled (or any other charity you choose). Lets face it - you need some cash to move on with your life.
David... you are a stronger man than most. Your outlook on life is an example of how to overcome adversity and grow stronger. Your story needs to be told David.
I wish you the very best of health and happiness in the days, weeks and years to come David.
Although it may seem crass (to some) to shop out your story to a movie company, there are some things to gain from doing so in my opinion.
1. You can tell your story, as you have done here on PPRuNe, to help others stay away from horrendous people like Crellin et al...
2. Your story is one of courage. To see the positive side of a bad situation and make a conscious choice to follow a path to new found success and happiness.
3. To earn some cash to help pay your medical bills, and donate to your Flying School for the Disabled (or any other charity you choose). Lets face it - you need some cash to move on with your life.
David... you are a stronger man than most. Your outlook on life is an example of how to overcome adversity and grow stronger. Your story needs to be told David.
I wish you the very best of health and happiness in the days, weeks and years to come David.
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Pilot DAR. Thank you. It is also great to see you back contributing as well. Most of your posts were enjoyable, informative and knowledgeable reading, that said, in this instance, your misinformed background knowledge has perhaps contributed to some of those layers, and what you would call "less serious", I would call "extremely serious" so at that juncture, I will again agree to disagree with you.
There is only one (1) layer that gives us cause for concern and I'm not sure that we should be distracted from that.
"I can't imagine how there is anything to be gained" ? That was another joke, right ?
If you think that this story would make a mystery movie, again I would say that it would make a Hollywood blockbuster, as the cake has yet to be iced, although the ingredients are to hand.
We could perhaps all contribute to the best storyline as the rumours that I have heard range far and wide.
a/ I was a drugs dealer and needed to lose an aircraft due to contamination.
b/ I needed to shift a body and I only reported 1 pilot on board the ditching.
c/ I have a safe deposit containing missing bullion as I have been found with the key.
d/ I was a porn star who performs all acts in an aircraft. Perhaps we could interlink that with No 1 above, or would that be another "charlie" which would have to be engaged. We could go for both, but that would really be far fetched.
e/ I was overdrawn by £1M and was hoping to make a claim. Indecisive about what policy should be invented for the storyline.
f/ We have to run with the ex solicitor/private investigator/SAS and UAV specialist and how this transpired into a fake identity with fake qualifications, and how the UAV turned out to be a remote controlled model aircraft, but I refuse to bring in the bit about wigs, handbags and painting his nails. That would be a total anti climax.
Through many years, I have supported various charities. If any money can be generated from this epic, it will be going to a burns charity, without question.
There is only one (1) layer that gives us cause for concern and I'm not sure that we should be distracted from that.
"I can't imagine how there is anything to be gained" ? That was another joke, right ?
If you think that this story would make a mystery movie, again I would say that it would make a Hollywood blockbuster, as the cake has yet to be iced, although the ingredients are to hand.
We could perhaps all contribute to the best storyline as the rumours that I have heard range far and wide.
a/ I was a drugs dealer and needed to lose an aircraft due to contamination.
b/ I needed to shift a body and I only reported 1 pilot on board the ditching.
c/ I have a safe deposit containing missing bullion as I have been found with the key.
d/ I was a porn star who performs all acts in an aircraft. Perhaps we could interlink that with No 1 above, or would that be another "charlie" which would have to be engaged. We could go for both, but that would really be far fetched.
e/ I was overdrawn by £1M and was hoping to make a claim. Indecisive about what policy should be invented for the storyline.
f/ We have to run with the ex solicitor/private investigator/SAS and UAV specialist and how this transpired into a fake identity with fake qualifications, and how the UAV turned out to be a remote controlled model aircraft, but I refuse to bring in the bit about wigs, handbags and painting his nails. That would be a total anti climax.
Through many years, I have supported various charities. If any money can be generated from this epic, it will be going to a burns charity, without question.
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Two things really puzzle me
Firstly after months and months of trying to bring up the subject of david Henderson/GoldenEaglePilot/ Crellin! Each time the threads and posts were deleted to the point of becoming a forum joke.
The delete, delete, delete threads.
What has happened now that discussion is allowed on the unspoken name?
Second for over a year the Weaver thread had nearly a million hits.
Trying to discuss GEP and the deletions had quite a few hits.
Ghengis was booted out of pprune by his Majesty Kevin Crellin and his influence in pprune.
Now discussion miraculously appears to be back on the level of interest appears to be almost zero other than the odd sympathy post?
Oh well funny world we live in.
Pace
Two things really puzzle me
Firstly after months and months of trying to bring up the subject of david Henderson/GoldenEaglePilot/ Crellin! Each time the threads and posts were deleted to the point of becoming a forum joke.
The delete, delete, delete threads.
What has happened now that discussion is allowed on the unspoken name?
Second for over a year the Weaver thread had nearly a million hits.
Trying to discuss GEP and the deletions had quite a few hits.
Ghengis was booted out of pprune by his Majesty Kevin Crellin and his influence in pprune.
Now discussion miraculously appears to be back on the level of interest appears to be almost zero other than the odd sympathy post?
Oh well funny world we live in.
Pace