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Old 3rd Jan 2012, 18:41
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deanoverton,

nearer the date of your trip drop me a line and I'll do my best to provide suggestions and information on flying in Italy.
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No so fast. Over in the BizAviation forum someone posted the original version of the proposed bill. The important bit for non-Italians is this:

13. (aeromobili) È istituita l’imposta erariale sugli aeromobili privati, di cui all’articolo 744 del codice della navigazione, immatricolati nel registro aeronautico nazionale, nelle seguenti misure annuali
My bold.

This means it affects only I-registered a/c.

Not to say this isn't madness and the typical European reaction to this self-made crisis (i.e. more taxes), but from a touring POV a non-event.

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Old 4th Jan 2012, 16:45
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How can this proposed tax be anything but detrimental to Italian GA? It would effectively destroy private ownership by honest, law-abiding Italians. It won't stop fat cats owning foreign-registered aircraft keeping them based offshore... people who won't care about the extra ferrying costs... it will just hit the small man who loves flying and who won't be able to afford ownership.
Will the clubs be able to cope with the demand this is going to create? It might give rise to a wholly new type of club/ops centre.
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Old 4th Jan 2012, 19:38
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172driver: legalese has its own rules. It is very common to find statements like "it only applies to xyz" and then some paragraphs later "but it also applies to abc". This is the perfect example. If you take the original, official law bill, you find this:

11. È istituita l’imposta erariale sugli aeromobili privati, di cui all’articolo 744 del codice della navigazione, immatricolati nel registro aeronautico nazionale, nelle seguenti misure annuali:
a) velivoli con peso massimo al decollo:
1) fino a 1.000 kg., euro 1,50 al kg;
2) fino a 2.000 kg., euro 2,45 al kg;
3) fino a 4.000 kg., euro 4,25 al kg;
4) fino a 6.000 kg., euro 5,75 al kg;
5) fino a 8.000 kg., euro 6,65 al kg;
6) fino a 10.000 kg., euro 7,10 al kg;7) oltre 10.000 kg., euro 7,55 al kg;
b) elicotteri: l’imposta dovuta è pari al doppio di quella stabilita per i velivoli di
corrispondente peso;
c) alianti, motoalianti, autogiri e aerostati, euro 450,00
So far so good, only Italian registered airplanes but then some clever lawmaker inserted another small paragraph:

14-bis. L’imposta di cui al comma 11 è applicata anche agli aeromobili non immatricolati nel registro aeronautico nazionale la cui sosta nel territorio italiano si protrae oltre quarantotto ore.
Which says that paragraph 11 also applies to all foreign registered airplanes that stay in Italy for more than 48 hours.

The text implies that it is valid law (unless the President hasn't signed it).
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Old 4th Jan 2012, 19:46
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achima, I stand corrected. The poster on the other forum left this bit out. Thanks for finding and posting this.

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i would not worry aboyut the tax, and just to be on the safe side, just use one of the over 500 airstrips, which are free, where you can find at least mogas, and where people is friendly. and where there is no control on traffic.

the amendment was a last minute change and is obviously BS. unapplicable.
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 17:37
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the amendment was a last minute change and is obviously BS. unapplicable.
BS or not it is the LAW. Disregarding it won't help, but if you want to be the trial bunny and place your property onto an Italian ramp and find out if they mean it, feel free to do it. Looking at what is in the press by now regarding the Italian crackdowns at places like Cortina and others, they do mean every letter of it.

I reckon it will take some planes to be impounded on the spot in Italy for some folks to wake up. For me, Italy is a no-fly and no-drive area with immediate effect until this gets stopped.

Somehow I get the idea that this government will not last very long. There are way too many people in Italy who have everything to loose. They will put up a fight.
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Old 10th Jan 2012, 18:10
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For me, Italy is a no-fly and no-drive area with immediate effect until this gets stopped.
If I weren't already avoiding Italy because of the widespread need to pay baksheesh to get any service at all, I would definitely avoid it now.

Good thing I haven't a summer house there I was planning to fly to. I know someone who has, I have to ask him how he is going to manage.
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I am with gianmarko on this. Article 14 bis looks like a late addition and IMHO the tax is uneforceable on foreign registered aircraft.

Article 12, which Google translates as:

12. The tax is payable by the public records of who is to be owner,
usufructuary, buyer retention of title, or as a user leasing of the aircraft, and is payable on application for issue or renewal of the certificate of airworthiness review during the whole period of its validity. In the event that the certificate has a validity of less year the tax is payable at the rate of one twelfth of the amounts referred to in paragraph 11 for each month of validity.
indicates that the tax is applied pro-rata. Who is going to keep count of the days an aircraft visiting different airfields in Italy remains within the country?
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Aha! Maybe this is a scheme to create a vast burocracy employing hundreds of new civil servants costing more than they hope to regain levying the taxes that they administer.

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Old 10th Jan 2012, 21:11
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By 4th february who what and how to pay will be officially pubblished. Until then just be patient. Things could change.
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The government probably knows its uneforceable on foreign registered aircraft, but in order to get the law approved they needed to accept all those amendments (in bold).
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I don't think the word "unenforceable" features much in southern Europe.

If some official wants to hassle you, he just goes ahead.

These are the two sides of life down there. The other side is that "anything" is possible and laws are mostly ignored and everybody is happy.

The people who live there and speak the language generally prefer that way of doing things.

Visitors like it or don't like it, according to how good they are at communication
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Old 11th Jan 2012, 08:48
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Visitors like it or don't like it, according to how good they are at communication
If you were brought up in a country where presidents are named Pellegrini, Peron, Frondizi, Galtieri, etc, you are used to it
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Old 11th Jan 2012, 20:56
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Visitors like it or don't like it, according to how good they are at communication
Like or not like has nothing to do with my ability to communicate. If you are the kind of person who likes honesty and lawfulness and dislikes any form of graft, you will never get used to it.
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Wheel clamping?

I understand from a German pilot friend that the German magazine "pilot und flugzeug" has published an article saying the Italians will be "clamping" aircraft after the 48hr point, to prevent them flying away.
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That is good news, as it will take at least 2 years before they decide who will supply the clamps.
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Old 14th Jan 2012, 18:00
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...and you had already indicated we might as well change fields every 24 hours, easily eluding this clamping farce.
It will take them much more than 2 years before they ever create a consolidation of aerodrome logbooks, even if they have any, and keep them reasonably complete.

Come to think of it, operators of Italian smallish aerodromes (campi di volo) will have just one more reason to forget mentioning foreign visitors in their logs: they'll save their customers from this ridiculous tax - on top of being able to sell AvGas to them under the guise of a club member.

Straneri? Non piu c'i soni! Noi dispiace molto!

(foreigners? none, anymore. we are SO sorry!)
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Old 15th Jan 2012, 00:30
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Peter,

I understand from a German pilot friend that the German magazine "pilot und flugzeug" has published an article saying the Italians will be "clamping" aircraft after the 48hr point, to prevent them flying away.
Actually, I'd like to see them try that, preferrably to a bunch of large biz jets with VIP's on. Not because I'd like to see them hassled but because it will cause an international incident of quite some proportions which might well put an end to this very fast.

Imagine the headlines: "XXX taken hostage by Italian government".
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Nihil nove sub sole... even the Germans did it once.
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