More Costs at Shoreham
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Another place to avoid... Went there a couple of times last month. Landing fee cost more than it did to fly there - what did I get? Just a load of hassle from an overbearing ATC and all the usual hi-viz nonsense...... The restaurant is empty and the place smacks of a failing airport being propped up by industrial units.
There are better places to frequent these days in the South east, none charge more than £10 to land, and you can park ya car for free!
My own personal views of course. Other views are available
There are better places to frequent these days in the South east, none charge more than £10 to land, and you can park ya car for free!
My own personal views of course. Other views are available
I find this whole thread quite frankly quite pathetic. For the last seven years (until recently when I sold my aircraft) I was an aircraft owner at Shoreham.
I always paid to park my car for that was part of the deal about flying from Shoreham (the person who said that you could park in front of the terminal for free until recently is talking unmitigated bullsh*t).
What is so difficult about putting £2 in a machne for a day or walking up to the front desk and getting a ticket for the long term car park for £4 for a weekend in Le Touquet?
As for the parking fees at Shoreham being a flight safety hazard; if you really think that to avoid forking out £100 to save your car being clamped is really going to affect your flight planning, then quit flying now for you are surely going to put yourself in harms way.
Remember the principle of the "6 Ps".
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I always paid to park my car for that was part of the deal about flying from Shoreham (the person who said that you could park in front of the terminal for free until recently is talking unmitigated bullsh*t).
What is so difficult about putting £2 in a machne for a day or walking up to the front desk and getting a ticket for the long term car park for £4 for a weekend in Le Touquet?
As for the parking fees at Shoreham being a flight safety hazard; if you really think that to avoid forking out £100 to save your car being clamped is really going to affect your flight planning, then quit flying now for you are surely going to put yourself in harms way.
Remember the principle of the "6 Ps".
Prior
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance
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I dont think its pathetic at all JW. What is pathetic is defending bottom feeding clampers or any organisation that engages them. Clamping high revenue resident clients is particularly short sighted.
It depends how you use your aeroplane. I like to blast off abroad on a whim when I get some spare time, and return when I feel like. The last thing I want in the equation is worrying about when my parking ticket expires. Beats me what the 6Ps have got to do with it - I want my P's to involve preparing the aeroplane for flight - not chasing around paying for parking. Why can't they use annual windscreen stickers for residents?
Also my experience of flying into Shoreham is not particularly positive, so I avoid it.
It depends how you use your aeroplane. I like to blast off abroad on a whim when I get some spare time, and return when I feel like. The last thing I want in the equation is worrying about when my parking ticket expires. Beats me what the 6Ps have got to do with it - I want my P's to involve preparing the aeroplane for flight - not chasing around paying for parking. Why can't they use annual windscreen stickers for residents?
Also my experience of flying into Shoreham is not particularly positive, so I avoid it.
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I have to say that I have been flying a bit at Shoreham recently and found the ATC there very friendly and accommodating. Parking charges are a fact of life these days and Shoreham is no different to any other place except the charges are lower so it is not out of the question to expect a pilot to plan in advance for a possible delay and even pay for additional parking time to cover the eventuality of a flight delay. Come on! 2 quid a day isn't going to break the bank! If it was free there would be nowhere to park because of commuter parking. Hi vis jackets? Didn’t see an over proliferation of these, certainly I never wear one airside!
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Interesting comments about planning, and if you think the thread pathetic then try reading the original post. I started this threat purely to warn others. If you are talking planning guys then interesting that they have been clamping in the staff carpark as well. I do not object to paying, as said, I overan. When security were employed they used to ticket cars with a warning. My surprise was caused as i had not parked there since the 1st september when this regime started.
I asked the question retrospectively about long term permits and it appears that not all the schools are aware that these exist and when I asked the question of airport management such a scheme was not even mentioned. A comms issue I feel.
Whilst some may say that the urge to get back to save the fine should give up flying, the point was made because we do not live in a perfect world and another factor may just be the tipping point. Sadly there have been too many tragedies caused by the return at all cost syndrome. An aerodrome should surely not add to that? not really in the spirit of what SMS is trying to achieve.
I have a choice as they do. They choose this path and I have decided to fly elsewhere as have others I have been contacted by since. The airport has been closed due to administration once in recent times, I have had some great flying from there but surely aviation sites will only survive as such if they are managed with aviation as the primary not secondary business.
I asked the question retrospectively about long term permits and it appears that not all the schools are aware that these exist and when I asked the question of airport management such a scheme was not even mentioned. A comms issue I feel.
Whilst some may say that the urge to get back to save the fine should give up flying, the point was made because we do not live in a perfect world and another factor may just be the tipping point. Sadly there have been too many tragedies caused by the return at all cost syndrome. An aerodrome should surely not add to that? not really in the spirit of what SMS is trying to achieve.
I have a choice as they do. They choose this path and I have decided to fly elsewhere as have others I have been contacted by since. The airport has been closed due to administration once in recent times, I have had some great flying from there but surely aviation sites will only survive as such if they are managed with aviation as the primary not secondary business.
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JW411,
You think that after 38 years of flying, all but the first three for a living, I should know better and quit? 
No, I stand by my statement. I'm still here.... at times resisting some fairly heavy attempts by others to give me "press-on-itis", including during offshore SAR work in a previous role. Unfortunately, many others aren't here, having pressed on once too often, some, in the cold light of day, for relatively unimportant reasons. For the inexperienced, cash strapped young ppl, I wouldn't discount £100 as an unlikely reason to consider pressing on.
Examples that immediately spring to mind: One ended with two lost in the sea off Blackpool after running out of fuel in IMC (inexperienced PPL didn't refuel fuel after previous leg, probably due to concerns about payment). Another (a helicopter this time) finished in a smoking heap in a wood in the early hours, killing all on board, one reason being that a liferaft was at the destination and the following day's flight required it.
As for the parking fees at Shoreham being a flight safety hazard; if you really think that to avoid forking out £100 to save your car being clamped is really going to affect your flight planning, then quit flying now for you are surely going to put yourself in harms way.
No, I stand by my statement. I'm still here.... at times resisting some fairly heavy attempts by others to give me "press-on-itis", including during offshore SAR work in a previous role. Unfortunately, many others aren't here, having pressed on once too often, some, in the cold light of day, for relatively unimportant reasons. For the inexperienced, cash strapped young ppl, I wouldn't discount £100 as an unlikely reason to consider pressing on.
Examples that immediately spring to mind: One ended with two lost in the sea off Blackpool after running out of fuel in IMC (inexperienced PPL didn't refuel fuel after previous leg, probably due to concerns about payment). Another (a helicopter this time) finished in a smoking heap in a wood in the early hours, killing all on board, one reason being that a liferaft was at the destination and the following day's flight required it.
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It seems to me, that the problem here isn't the parking charges (£2 per day seems to be quoted and would pail into insignificance in terms of flying costs). Rather the problem seems to be that you need to know when you will be returning which, particularly for VFR flyers, isn't always so accurate.
If a system could be found to allow people to 'check in' when they park and then pay when they are leaving, then I doubt many would complain, and the safety issue would be gone.
I admit though that that would probably require some investment and also require people to use a credit card for pre authorisation.
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If a system could be found to allow people to 'check in' when they park and then pay when they are leaving, then I doubt many would complain, and the safety issue would be gone.
I admit though that that would probably require some investment and also require people to use a credit card for pre authorisation.
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Come on all it would take is a clip board on the front desk.
Pay 10 quid up front when you park there for a day and get the rest back if you come back and the balance when you eventually do get back if things have gone tits up.
Pay 10 quid up front when you park there for a day and get the rest back if you come back and the balance when you eventually do get back if things have gone tits up.
