Re_Validate My PPL
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Re_Validate My PPL
Hi wonder if anyone can help me?
I am a lapsed PPL and IMC I have over 150hrs in my logbook all flown on Pa28s of various forms.
I last was current about 13 years ago when I flew out of Gloucester in a shared PA 28 there.
My question is I would like to re-validate my license? I have flown a few hours here and there over the years with an instructor from Tees-side sorry Durham & Tees Valley!!! and Full Sutton.
How do I go about this as I have had various opinions expressed about how to do it.
Many thanks.
I am a lapsed PPL and IMC I have over 150hrs in my logbook all flown on Pa28s of various forms.
I last was current about 13 years ago when I flew out of Gloucester in a shared PA 28 there.
My question is I would like to re-validate my license? I have flown a few hours here and there over the years with an instructor from Tees-side sorry Durham & Tees Valley!!! and Full Sutton.
How do I go about this as I have had various opinions expressed about how to do it.
Many thanks.
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Utterly,
A couple of points which may not be readily evident on a first read of LASORS;
For your situation revalidation and renewal have different meanings, you are renewing, not revalidating.
What you will probably know as "Group -A", has now been replaced with SEP(L), single-engine piston (land), as opposed to seaplane, which has a broadly similar, but not identical definition.
Examiners have recently been told by the CAA, not to renew class ratings unless the licence holder also has a valid medical certificate, so you'll need to get that sorted as well. You can find CAA approved doctors here;
Medical Examiners Database Search | Medical | Safety Regulation
I'd recommend Colin Brown, but there are 3 in Newcastle, take your pick.
If you want to regain/keep your IMCr privileges, then you should really get that done before April next year, as the regulatory situation is changing and you may not have the option to do so afterwards. If you don't want/need that, then you may wish to consider the NPPL .
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A couple of points which may not be readily evident on a first read of LASORS;
For your situation revalidation and renewal have different meanings, you are renewing, not revalidating.
What you will probably know as "Group -A", has now been replaced with SEP(L), single-engine piston (land), as opposed to seaplane, which has a broadly similar, but not identical definition.
Examiners have recently been told by the CAA, not to renew class ratings unless the licence holder also has a valid medical certificate, so you'll need to get that sorted as well. You can find CAA approved doctors here;
Medical Examiners Database Search | Medical | Safety Regulation
I'd recommend Colin Brown, but there are 3 in Newcastle, take your pick.
If you want to regain/keep your IMCr privileges, then you should really get that done before April next year, as the regulatory situation is changing and you may not have the option to do so afterwards. If you don't want/need that, then you may wish to consider the NPPL .
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Good look on your revalidation. I myself am lapsed by a similar timescale to yourself and would love to be in a position to get airborne again.
Let us know how you get on!
Let us know how you get on!
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Hi
I've just been through this process, my licence having expired by just over 10 years.
You also need to look at Lasors F1.6 to renew your SEP (Land) rating.
Going through all the requirements I ended up taking the Aircraft Technical exam along with Communications (check Lasors B1.6 for FRTOL Renewal). As I also have a PPL(H) which had been valid within the last 5 years I was exempt from re-taking Air Law. There may have been some other exams that also needed retaking that I was exempted but I don't have my paperwork with me.
One other thing the CAA asked for before reissuing was licence was a confirmation of the date when I'd last flown as PIC.
Hope this helps a bit
Simon
I've just been through this process, my licence having expired by just over 10 years.
You also need to look at Lasors F1.6 to renew your SEP (Land) rating.
Going through all the requirements I ended up taking the Aircraft Technical exam along with Communications (check Lasors B1.6 for FRTOL Renewal). As I also have a PPL(H) which had been valid within the last 5 years I was exempt from re-taking Air Law. There may have been some other exams that also needed retaking that I was exempted but I don't have my paperwork with me.
One other thing the CAA asked for before reissuing was licence was a confirmation of the date when I'd last flown as PIC.
Hope this helps a bit
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I did it after a 17 year gap and wished I'd done it earlier!
Legally all you have to do is pass an SEP revalidation, which includes an oral exam by the examiner.
I decided to revise all of the subjects up to exam level, air law had changed a bit, RT needed updating and human factors wasn't around in 1986.
It took me 16 hours instruction to get back to test level and I actually chose to get myself to full skills test standard for safety.
Good luck with it all, and enjoy it!
Legally all you have to do is pass an SEP revalidation, which includes an oral exam by the examiner.
I decided to revise all of the subjects up to exam level, air law had changed a bit, RT needed updating and human factors wasn't around in 1986.
It took me 16 hours instruction to get back to test level and I actually chose to get myself to full skills test standard for safety.
Good luck with it all, and enjoy it!
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Hi guys
Thanks again for the information. all very informative and nice to know there are a few of us out there who still enjoy the fun in flying and are not too past it! (hope I pass the medical!!)
I was at Eshott (just North of Newcastle) last weekend in the lovely weather we had then, watching all the Microlights and Sport planes and just thought I have to get back into this again!
I have booked a lesson at Full Sutton next week hope the weather holds out!
Many Thanks for your comments.
Thanks again for the information. all very informative and nice to know there are a few of us out there who still enjoy the fun in flying and are not too past it! (hope I pass the medical!!)
I was at Eshott (just North of Newcastle) last weekend in the lovely weather we had then, watching all the Microlights and Sport planes and just thought I have to get back into this again!
I have booked a lesson at Full Sutton next week hope the weather holds out!
Many Thanks for your comments.
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To correct a few points first:
"mrmum",
you are correct to say that the CAA will not allow revalidation or renewal of a rating without a valid medical, re. AIC W 080/2010, now canx. and AIC W 053/2011. This directly contradicts the advice in the FE handbook which states that a rating can be renewed or revalidated without a valid medical, but the PPL advised that they can't fly solo until they have the medical. I have written, e mailed and voice mailed the CFE and to date had no reply! In this case the "renewal" is over 5 years and will be dealt directly by the CAA.
"robbo22",
Lasors will clarify if you require both the written and the practical FRTOL, or speak to an RT examiner. There are NO other ground exams to take and this has been the case since just after JAR came in. There should be an oral exam on the aircraft flown for the test, plus in my case I try and bring the PPL back to as much of the significant "gumf" that has happened in the period off flying, such as JAR, EASA, ATCOCAS etc.
"WessexBoy"
It's a LST renewal, not a revalidation, in other words a general handling test, airwork and circuits, plus a VFR navigation element.
And to "Utterly", have a good look at alternatives to the SEP route. The NPPL(SSEA) is an attractive option but depends on how EASA works,re the LAPL. NPPL(M) is better in many ways, it's outside EASA, ie annex 2 and yet allows for great flying, on a UK licence and rating.
To those interested, it's worth downloading the CAA EASA document , yes all 36 pages, and it should be fairly clear what's happening, and more importantly, when
"mrmum",
you are correct to say that the CAA will not allow revalidation or renewal of a rating without a valid medical, re. AIC W 080/2010, now canx. and AIC W 053/2011. This directly contradicts the advice in the FE handbook which states that a rating can be renewed or revalidated without a valid medical, but the PPL advised that they can't fly solo until they have the medical. I have written, e mailed and voice mailed the CFE and to date had no reply! In this case the "renewal" is over 5 years and will be dealt directly by the CAA.
"robbo22",
Lasors will clarify if you require both the written and the practical FRTOL, or speak to an RT examiner. There are NO other ground exams to take and this has been the case since just after JAR came in. There should be an oral exam on the aircraft flown for the test, plus in my case I try and bring the PPL back to as much of the significant "gumf" that has happened in the period off flying, such as JAR, EASA, ATCOCAS etc.
"WessexBoy"
It's a LST renewal, not a revalidation, in other words a general handling test, airwork and circuits, plus a VFR navigation element.
And to "Utterly", have a good look at alternatives to the SEP route. The NPPL(SSEA) is an attractive option but depends on how EASA works,re the LAPL. NPPL(M) is better in many ways, it's outside EASA, ie annex 2 and yet allows for great flying, on a UK licence and rating.
To those interested, it's worth downloading the CAA EASA document , yes all 36 pages, and it should be fairly clear what's happening, and more importantly, when
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I have a PPL friend who hasn't flown in 20 years and was thinking about trying to renew his licence so thanks for this thread. If I understand it correctly, he will need his medical, will need to take air law and human factors exams and then pass a SEP revalidation? Excuse my ignorance but what does that entail or would someone kindly point me in the direction where I can find out for myself?
Thanks.
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Hi Utterly
Just curious, but why Full Sutton? I've no opinion on them myself, but it's abit of a hike from Newcastle, and you've got a lot of nearer choices.
I have booked a lesson at Full Sutton next week hope the weather holds out!
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I have written, e mailed and voice mailed the CFE and to date had no reply!
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piper999,
If your friend got their PPL in the late seventies or eighties, then they will have a non-expiring "lifetime" licence, so shouldn't need to do anything with that.
He will need a medical.
He doesn't need to take Airlaw or HPL, nor indeed any of the theory exams (except possibly Radio-telephony) Although after a lengthy time away, he way be wise to do some theory refresher work.
He will have to renew, rather than revalidate, what is now his SEP(L) class rating. This is done by undertaking refresher training as required, then having a LST. This is what he will have known as a GFT, but with the addition of a visual navigation sector. You could try having a read through CAA standards document 19 to get an idea of what's involved.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Standar...19_A%20v6_.pdf
He will probably need to renew his FRTOL, see LASORS B1.5-6
Alternatively, there's also the NPPL to consider
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If your friend got their PPL in the late seventies or eighties, then they will have a non-expiring "lifetime" licence, so shouldn't need to do anything with that.
He will need a medical.
He doesn't need to take Airlaw or HPL, nor indeed any of the theory exams (except possibly Radio-telephony) Although after a lengthy time away, he way be wise to do some theory refresher work.
He will have to renew, rather than revalidate, what is now his SEP(L) class rating. This is done by undertaking refresher training as required, then having a LST. This is what he will have known as a GFT, but with the addition of a visual navigation sector. You could try having a read through CAA standards document 19 to get an idea of what's involved.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Standar...19_A%20v6_.pdf
He will probably need to renew his FRTOL, see LASORS B1.5-6
Alternatively, there's also the NPPL to consider
NPPL Home Page
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Re: Full Sutton
Hi Mrmum
Thanks for your replies..to answer your question..
If you look at the map in the North East it is rather bereft of flight training schools. (Unlike Bristol area where I used to live!)
I have had a couple of hours at Durham Tees Valley, which is fine until I do circuits, unless I go elsewhere like Fishburn, same goes for Newcastle.(Eshott)
Wheras at Full Sutton no problem with circuits, cheap hire and friendly clubhouse. I would rather pay for the diesel to get there and get in some good flying than held in a pattern at TV or Ncastle.
Ohh by the way live on Teeside during week so not so far then.
Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks again for your interest.
Thanks for your replies..to answer your question..
If you look at the map in the North East it is rather bereft of flight training schools. (Unlike Bristol area where I used to live!)
I have had a couple of hours at Durham Tees Valley, which is fine until I do circuits, unless I go elsewhere like Fishburn, same goes for Newcastle.(Eshott)
Wheras at Full Sutton no problem with circuits, cheap hire and friendly clubhouse. I would rather pay for the diesel to get there and get in some good flying than held in a pattern at TV or Ncastle.
Ohh by the way live on Teeside during week so not so far then.
Will let you know how I get on.
Thanks again for your interest.
