Glasgow Airspace class change

[aligee]

Earlier this evening a friend and I flew out of strathaven and asked for zone penetration to the east of glasgow.I was sceptical that being non transponder equipped we would be refused entry.The ever helpful Glasgow team accepted us without question below 2000.This was at a peak time of the evening.Thanks Glasgow for proving a sceptic of the new airspace reclassification wrong and allowing a retraining ppl to see how accommodating you can be.

[fisbangwollop]

Aligee....working with Glasgow on a daily basis as I do at Scottish Info I know they fall over backwards to be as helpfull to GA traffic when time and IFR traffic permits. If you ever get refused and to be honest that would be pretty rare they would have a good reason.

Yesterday evening they even cleared traffic that I was working through the Cumbernauld gap at 4500ft without any hassle, mind you they were landing on RW 05 so inbound traffic was well clear of that. The problem for that Cumbernauld gap for them is when they are landing RW23. IFR traffic is vectored from the Lanark area for left base RW23 and that is when the traffic routing through the gap can be an issue.

I really cannot see the class "D" base of 3000ft being any real issue to GA traffic routing VFR below that level in the class "E" airspace.

And remember if you dont ask you dont get!!

[IO540]

that said we will shortly be fitted with a monitor display that will give us warning that aircraft we are talking to are straying towards controlled airspace

Surely that means you will now be a radar qualified controller which means a 1000% pay rise

[fisbangwollop]

Was that a purple pig I saw flying past my window???

[140KIAS]

Im planning a trip to Islay from Lothians on Monday. I would normally stay well clear of the Glasgow zone however posts here suggest that's not always necessary. Any thoughts on the likelihood of getting a clearance throught the Glasgow CTR routing East Kilbridge - West Kilbride around 9am local ?

[Bigears]

140KIAS, I think Glasgow are helpful whenever they can be, but I think you're asking a bit much, IMO, as you're a bit close to the climbout/final approach (depending on runway in use). East Kilbride-Stewarton-West Kilbride might be ok though. At that time of day, I'd ensure I file a flightplan so the controller has details when will help ensure success through involving less work for the controller.
Be interested to see how it goes. Have a good trip

[140KIAS]

That pretty much echoes my thoughts . I'll give them a ring over the weekend and ask the question.

[fisbangwollop]

I dont think you will have a problem.....if you can file a FPL so they have your details all the better as free-calls not great due to electronic strips that they use!!!!!!!!!!!. If you talk to myself at Scottish I would prenote Glasgow that your coming negating the need for a FPL but as your coming from Lothian I guess your too close to Glasgow after departure to call Scottish Info. I often transfer VFR traffic to Glasgow looking to cross the zone on a similar route and have never been refused yet. Enjoy your trip, weather looking good and a day off for me so we will not talk.

P.S. Get Nigel to buy your lunch ...

[140KIAS]

Thanks for that Fisbang. I'll be coming out of the Edinburgh zone at Cobbinshaw so will need to jump straight onto Glasgow.

Question if I file VFR to Islay will the FP go to Glasgow ? I suspect not unless I manually add Glasgow to the addressing ?

Havent seen Nigel for a wee while. He's too busy playing at Master & Commander. He's PROB99 lurking in the background so I'll find out soon enough if he's coming along. Although Im taking work colleagues for a round of golf and thats definitely not his thing.

[fisbangwollop]

140.....If you add Glasgow to the addresses they will get it OK.

No golf for Nigel shopping for boats!!

[riverrock83]

permanent changes confirmed

I see that the final decision on the airspace change has been made:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/7/20120217...tterFinal2.pdf due to come in on 5th April 2012.

I see they have changed the shape slightly, so that there is some more Class D North of Strathhaven down to 3500' (CTA-2) before you reach the Cumbernauld Gap airspace (CTA-1) which is down to 3000' (the same as what is currently notamed).

I'm going to have lots of fun trying to plot the changes onto my plastic coated map! How often do these changes happen. Should I get used to constantly plotting airspace changes? How do people do this - as I normally use "permanent" pens for nav plotting it will be hard not to rub off the airspace changes. Are there super permanent ink pens somewhere? Yes - at some future point I'll probably be using an updateable GPS system but I'm a student who needs to do it the old fashioned way for now.

Also - out of curiosity - will the changes also be notammed for a while when they come in as an extra highlight of changes? I can see me at some future point missing an airspace change and using a "current" map which is out of date, especially if flying in an area I don't normally fly to and so don't follow the changes carefully.

Thanks
RR

[boeingbus2002]

Clear sticky back plastic!
Plot changes on original map and overlay with clear plastic to protect this.

[riverrock83]

Originally Posted by boeingbus2002

Clear sticky back plastic!
Plot changes on original map and overlay with clear plastic to protect this.

Like it - although last time I saw the stuff was when I last watched Blue Peter about 15 years ago. I'm sure I'll still be able to find it in an arts store.

Just hope the airspace doesn't change again for a while!