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TED VEITCH 3 d tvs and other stuff we have paid for
My daughter is one of the most unfortunate youngsters to loose money from this . she started at Cumbernauld flying centre at 14. her father died unexpectedly last year and left her a small sum of money. yes !!!! she has paid in advance and is distraught. I remember TED VEITCH vividly boasting about his recent aquisition of a 3d tv and numerous other gadgets around about the time of my daughters last payment sum of £2000.Now weeks later the place is bust. I visited Maria Dorrian myself today who claims TED has spent all the money !!!. She is the responsible person as the company owner and sole director and no excuses are acceptable to a tearful 15 yr old whos dreams are shattered.I cannot afford to pay her fees.
Mr Veitch.... I demand you sell the 3d tv and refund my daughter her £2000. Mrs Dorrian as a christian I expect you to make sure this refund is expedited. You have Mairis address. Catherine Lewis
Mr Veitch.... I demand you sell the 3d tv and refund my daughter her £2000. Mrs Dorrian as a christian I expect you to make sure this refund is expedited. You have Mairis address. Catherine Lewis
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The tv will be next to worthless. So cal said it all, never pay upfront for ANYTHING.
Ted is actually ok, some people bitched about him on this forum, but then people bitch a lot about others.
I doubt there will be any pennies, however, whilst it is hard, remain on cordial terms, and if they start up again, perhaps a route may be available to get something back. You never know.
Ted is actually ok, some people bitched about him on this forum, but then people bitch a lot about others.
I doubt there will be any pennies, however, whilst it is hard, remain on cordial terms, and if they start up again, perhaps a route may be available to get something back. You never know.
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The money was paid by cheque from the trustees holding her money. As considered an educational expense( she wants to be a commercial pilot ) they agreed to pay it. My comments about TED are those expressed by Maria.Maria may also be a victim but she IS the owner of the company and no doubt had profited to some extent. I had faith in this company and the people on the front line.It is difficult to be sympathetic when the director of the company is blaming her manager TED for his extravagant lifestyle. He is apparently on holiday at the moment. Well timed !!!!
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Well that is something I did consider but their relationship on a personal level is none of my business. She did look pathetic on the doorstep.I know she courts celebrity but I doubtany of this will be benefical to her social standing
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She is already around half way through her PPL and the discount was attractive. I blame myself of course. I have no way of reimbursing her which is awful.
I did buy her 5 lessons to judge her commitment for Xmas last year . She is convinced this is the career for her and waS pricing commercial trainingwhen she comes of age .So why should I discourage her
oh and she is now almost 16 and the £2000 was to allow her to concentrate on flying after her standard grades while on hols from school. She will be busy when school recommences with her highers
I did buy her 5 lessons to judge her commitment for Xmas last year . She is convinced this is the career for her and waS pricing commercial trainingwhen she comes of age .So why should I discourage her
oh and she is now almost 16 and the £2000 was to allow her to concentrate on flying after her standard grades while on hols from school. She will be busy when school recommences with her highers
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a long wait for your money
Cathy123, comiserations about your daughter, though you say she is determined, so I am sure will find a way to continue, in time. Has she looked at British Women Pilots' Association British Women Pilots' Association - Careers and Licences ? They offer scholarships and bursaries, and maybe give her circumstances would be quite sympathetic.
I foolishly also paid upfront, and am about halfway through training (first solo just before they shut up shop) but did have the wit to pay with credit card. Unfortunately can't get a refund from CC co. until some closure on situation with CFC, and that could take ages. Even airfield people don't know what is happening yet. Meanwhile do I jump ship e.g. to Leading Edge or someone at Prestwick, which means change of type, probably Cessna, or hang on in case this resolves itself and I can get value from what they owe me. I think probably the former.
I was assured by airfield guy that our flying records are safe.
I foolishly also paid upfront, and am about halfway through training (first solo just before they shut up shop) but did have the wit to pay with credit card. Unfortunately can't get a refund from CC co. until some closure on situation with CFC, and that could take ages. Even airfield people don't know what is happening yet. Meanwhile do I jump ship e.g. to Leading Edge or someone at Prestwick, which means change of type, probably Cessna, or hang on in case this resolves itself and I can get value from what they owe me. I think probably the former.
I was assured by airfield guy that our flying records are safe.
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While you won't like this £2000 is a fairly small portion of what you're committing to in commercial training on the basis of a gamble that she might get a job at the end, so at least you have lost relatively little so that when you do have to fork out more, you'll be paying by credit card. You could have lost £60k!
I'm sure she's a smart girl and will do well but this is one of those things that happens, not just in flying but in all sorts of ways, my wife lost her wedding dress a few weeks before we got married because a place went bust and while
Everything in the end turned out okay, it's not like the dress was doing the actual getting married....
People do say "don't pay for anything up front" it doesn't always wash in many lines of work, sometimes you're left with no choice and you have to pay up front, when you do use a credit card even if it costs you slightly more.
Flying schools go bust frequently and they don't go a little bust so normally the bank is the one that appoints the administrator and the administrator (normally a subsidiary of the bank) is the one that gets paid first, after that there's rarely any money left but you should definitely apply to the administrator for recognition as a creditor, you may get something.
As for Maria, she is the owner, the buck stops right at her feet and while Ted ran the business Maria is the one that has the legal responsibility to ensure that it is run properly. If you can prove that she didn't then the limited liability becomes significantly less limited.
I'm sure she's a smart girl and will do well but this is one of those things that happens, not just in flying but in all sorts of ways, my wife lost her wedding dress a few weeks before we got married because a place went bust and while
Everything in the end turned out okay, it's not like the dress was doing the actual getting married....
People do say "don't pay for anything up front" it doesn't always wash in many lines of work, sometimes you're left with no choice and you have to pay up front, when you do use a credit card even if it costs you slightly more.
Flying schools go bust frequently and they don't go a little bust so normally the bank is the one that appoints the administrator and the administrator (normally a subsidiary of the bank) is the one that gets paid first, after that there's rarely any money left but you should definitely apply to the administrator for recognition as a creditor, you may get something.
As for Maria, she is the owner, the buck stops right at her feet and while Ted ran the business Maria is the one that has the legal responsibility to ensure that it is run properly. If you can prove that she didn't then the limited liability becomes significantly less limited.
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maybe the trustees should have been a bit more careful with her money is there any recourse from them ?. going on to do commercial training if she goes the modular she will save lots more than £2000.
Best of luck to her
Best of luck to her
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Hi guys ... thank you so much for your input. Yes this is a small sum in the grand scheme of things and she does have enough funds remaining to complete a ppl and a commercial training package. As you can imagine she sees this money as a gift from her father who died and is dreadfully upset and I feel responsible . As for Maria ...I did tell her I was uninterested in her situation as I suspected she was having a relationship with Ted and that SHE was indeed responsible. I can only wait and see. Yes I will ensure that Mairi pays as she goes along for now . Neither of us owns a credit card .A lesson learned but I am pursuing it through legal channels and other means .
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Hi yes we are aware of all of the above including exams ,medical classes etc . This she had plans to do up to age 17 to suit around her school schedule, she has not taken any of this lightly and knows fully the path and expense required. I am just grateful she has no plans to buy crap or pee her funds down the loo .; As for not getting a job ... she wants to be an aviator be that passenger , or freight etc etc . She is just very upset about her dad and for reasons explained before .
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Oh dear. That's the first I've heard about this. Sorry to hear about your daughter's woes Cathy. That's the horrid side of this business at times.
I can't say I'm particularly surprised by any of this unfortunately.
I can't say I'm particularly surprised by any of this unfortunately.
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How do you solve a problem like Maria?
I can see it now, The Company Director, The Actress and The Bishop.
Elaine C Smith is to play Maria Dorrian's pal Susan Boyle in the new production of SuBo. It seems that Maria has befriended subo and stuck up for her after an "attack" in the Express re Subo and Padre Pio. (Those not of the Catholic persuasion of Imaginary Friends may skip this bit) Maybe Cardinal O'Brien could be persuaded to have a word in Maria's ear.
I understand from my Mum, who knows about such things, that a Mass can be said for virtually any case that needs divine intervention. So.... at the risk of good money after bad........ maybe someone could find which Chapel the sainted Maria is to be found at on a Sunday and slip the incumbent £20 * to say a mass for the swift and safe return of the Student Notes and the balance of the £2,000.
Obviously in order for the prayers of the assembled congregation to be effective, they would need to have some details of the problem.
The journalist, Sunday Express reporter Ben Borland, who was tarnished by Mrs. Dorrian's response to a bit of standard rehashing of news from the Catholic Obvserver, may well be interested enough to pursue this line of newsworthy stuff in a quiet week.
With a public profile such as Mrs. Dorrian tries to maintain,
I'd have thought it ill advised to dismiss such a heart tugging story as this young girl who dreamed a dream, her deceased Dad and a litany (see what I did there?) of failed business enterprises.
This could grow arms and legs!
* Cash only according to Mum, something to do with DWP/HMRC guidlelines.
North-east panto queen Elaine C Smith is to play global singing sensation Susan Boyle in a new stage musical about her inspirational life story.
I understand from my Mum, who knows about such things, that a Mass can be said for virtually any case that needs divine intervention. So.... at the risk of good money after bad........ maybe someone could find which Chapel the sainted Maria is to be found at on a Sunday and slip the incumbent £20 * to say a mass for the swift and safe return of the Student Notes and the balance of the £2,000.
Obviously in order for the prayers of the assembled congregation to be effective, they would need to have some details of the problem.
The journalist, Sunday Express reporter Ben Borland, who was tarnished by Mrs. Dorrian's response to a bit of standard rehashing of news from the Catholic Obvserver, may well be interested enough to pursue this line of newsworthy stuff in a quiet week.
With a public profile such as Mrs. Dorrian tries to maintain,
MARIA Dorrian, Scottish delegate for the sanctuary of Saint Pio
This could grow arms and legs!
* Cash only according to Mum, something to do with DWP/HMRC guidlelines.
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Hi , Yes this was my referral to courting celebrity.
The media has been informed and perhaps the aforementioned christian will reimburse Mairi for her financial loss which has without question opened the wounds caused by her bereavement
The media has been informed and perhaps the aforementioned christian will reimburse Mairi for her financial loss which has without question opened the wounds caused by her bereavement
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She cannot complete the solo phase of her flight training (at age 16) till she has that medical completed.
I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. If she were studying for an NPPL then a medical declaration by her GP would suffice for solo flight.
I understand the advice of don't pay for all that training until you know there is no medical obstruction, but I'd suggest that if you really want to fly, spend the money on flying not doctors, until you NEED to spend it on Doctors.
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My view would be for anyone wanting to be a professional pilot to get themselves a CAA Class 1 medical ASAP.
Once you have that in the bag, you have the Demonstrated Ability concession for the rest of your life.
And your health is only going to go downhill
In fact I would recommend a private pilot to do the same, because a Class 1 locks in certain handy privileges (connected with the IR), and renewing a Class 1 should not cost much more than renewing a Class 2.
Really sad about losing money via a bent school, but this happens all the time. I've been flying only 11 years, but have seen several schools go bust at my airfield, in all cases with a total loss of student deposits and in at least one case (that I know of) following a major "inside job" done by the "CFI".
Once you have that in the bag, you have the Demonstrated Ability concession for the rest of your life.
And your health is only going to go downhill
In fact I would recommend a private pilot to do the same, because a Class 1 locks in certain handy privileges (connected with the IR), and renewing a Class 1 should not cost much more than renewing a Class 2.
Really sad about losing money via a bent school, but this happens all the time. I've been flying only 11 years, but have seen several schools go bust at my airfield, in all cases with a total loss of student deposits and in at least one case (that I know of) following a major "inside job" done by the "CFI".
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she needs her medical yes before she can go solo and that was one of the "to do " things for his summer. I hope that the people who are involved dig deep into their personal finances and refund Mairi her money. Time will tell. The press hounds are very hungry and already have some interesting information.