Norwich landing fee shock
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PS Blackpool is another place where I haven't been since due to the 'Security' nonsense.
At least the airport knows you ain't gonna be crazy and blow yourself up on the ramp or hold passengers walking to other jets to ransom with a gun.
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I think its a reaction to the intellectually challenged jobsworths that seem to like security jobs. No one really minds travelling in airliners that don't blow up, its the pedantic way that security is applied.
Coming from the USA you should be used to that. Does the TSA deliberately pick folk that stupid or is a function of minimum wage? I'm equally sure security folk on this side of the pond are not handsomely rewarded.
Coming from the USA you should be used to that. Does the TSA deliberately pick folk that stupid or is a function of minimum wage? I'm equally sure security folk on this side of the pond are not handsomely rewarded.
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Its rather a shame that, as "representitives" of the G/A community (except Stiknruda) your utter ignorance makes fools of you all.
Saxonair has been the answer for a while now, where the fees are very reasonable for the excellent service they provide.
It appears that Mad Jock has an agenda based on a bad experience a few years ago (which he justifiably had grounds to moan about) but I don't think he's been back since.
I use Norwich regularly and, aside from being a scheduled passenger, I'd never elect to transit through the main terminal - anyone who does so should accept that the Securuty staff are bound by Government regulations and do what they have to do.
If you go Norwich and haven't arranged to visit one of the based flying clubs, use Saxonair, they're the best FBO Ive ever come across in every aspect.
Do a bit of research, fly in, then base your posts on facts, not bull****.
Saxonair has been the answer for a while now, where the fees are very reasonable for the excellent service they provide.
It appears that Mad Jock has an agenda based on a bad experience a few years ago (which he justifiably had grounds to moan about) but I don't think he's been back since.
I use Norwich regularly and, aside from being a scheduled passenger, I'd never elect to transit through the main terminal - anyone who does so should accept that the Securuty staff are bound by Government regulations and do what they have to do.
If you go Norwich and haven't arranged to visit one of the based flying clubs, use Saxonair, they're the best FBO Ive ever come across in every aspect.
Do a bit of research, fly in, then base your posts on facts, not bull****.
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It wasn't just that experence (although it was the cherry on the cake) I had operated out of there before that. Mostly the odd few days but had 2 weeks there once at which point I had to be moved because suddenly my airport pass wasn't valid any more with one particular shift in security.
And you are right I haven't been there getting on for 3 years now. But Pilots I know say it hasn't changed a bit on the terminal side of things they still dread operating in there. Saxon is pretty good as long as you are under 19 seats but gawd help you if your not. You just have to hope its a fuel pick up and go. If you have to night stop the hotel across from the terminal is horrible and you have the whole ball ache of getting to your aircraft in the morning.
If you just positioning out its virtually impossible to get your overnight bag to the aircraft. You ask about getting crew bags checked in and you just get a load of blank faces and shrugging of shoulders "we don't know about that flight number" and then walk off or claim they are now on a break. If you try and go through security with your bag they want to confiscate nearly everything.
As I said the place has got a cancer and its still in denial that there is anything wrong.
And you are right I haven't been there getting on for 3 years now. But Pilots I know say it hasn't changed a bit on the terminal side of things they still dread operating in there. Saxon is pretty good as long as you are under 19 seats but gawd help you if your not. You just have to hope its a fuel pick up and go. If you have to night stop the hotel across from the terminal is horrible and you have the whole ball ache of getting to your aircraft in the morning.
If you just positioning out its virtually impossible to get your overnight bag to the aircraft. You ask about getting crew bags checked in and you just get a load of blank faces and shrugging of shoulders "we don't know about that flight number" and then walk off or claim they are now on a break. If you try and go through security with your bag they want to confiscate nearly everything.
As I said the place has got a cancer and its still in denial that there is anything wrong.
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Pretty much sums the place up.
An airport to avoid for GA pilots and the hassle of flying from there as a passenger makes Stansted worth the drive for locals. The place is very anti GA for visitors to Norwich with the hassle not making a trip to the city worthwhile. NWH loves to make GA traffic taxy for 10 to 15 minutes when an intersection departure such as that at Cardiff would save time and fuel.
Blackpool and Durham Tees spaceport seem to have the same attitude.
Cambridge by contrast is a breeze.
Careful you all are going to get charges leveled at you of having a secret agenda against Norwich airport.
All comments will be ignored because apprently everyone who is vocal about how badly run the place is has said agenda.
Come on Norwich we don't actually want the place to shut down. Your going to have to do something or it will just be a spiral dive into turning into a housing estate.
1. Get someone with a clue to have a fresh start with the whole security setup. And that someone should be outside the commercial empire building contractors.
2. Sort the bloody terminal out!! It is an absolute shambles, I don't know what excuses they have for the way they operate but it ain't normal. It certainly doesn't make people want to pay a bit extra to use the local airport. Gawd you really have to be bad for people to be willing to subject themselves to the Stanstead experence when they have a local airport 10mins away in a taxi.
3. CAS why o why are you pissing money up the wall with this when your taxiways are in bits? I presume you have been suckered by the lowco's that they will operate services in there if you do get it. So so many regional airports have been suckered by this, buying radar etc to only find they operate in for 3 months and then decide its not worth it.
4. Pax tax it really pisses people off especially when you piss it up the wall with CAS . See point 3 about people using another airport.
5. GA you ain't busy, the tarmac isn't going anywhere, its not getting worn out by a 2 ton spam can, the ATCO's are being payed for. Have decent prices for both training and visitors. If the admin is deemed to cost alot have a way to get round it. eg a block of 20 landings for 250 quid or charge 15 quid cash. Get a self handling system in. Inverness just has a room in the C and you fill out a form with card payment details or cash and post it in a box. But for gawds sake stick the C somewhere sensible that doesn't involve having anything to do with security or the terminal.
At the moment you have pilots that don't like operating into the place, pax who begrudge paying pax tax and the ball ache of going through the terminal.
And an airport who has its head deeply buried in the sand telling itself that its doing all the right things when it is patently obvious to outsiders that it has cancer and its touch and go if its curable.
All comments will be ignored because apprently everyone who is vocal about how badly run the place is has said agenda.
Come on Norwich we don't actually want the place to shut down. Your going to have to do something or it will just be a spiral dive into turning into a housing estate.
1. Get someone with a clue to have a fresh start with the whole security setup. And that someone should be outside the commercial empire building contractors.
2. Sort the bloody terminal out!! It is an absolute shambles, I don't know what excuses they have for the way they operate but it ain't normal. It certainly doesn't make people want to pay a bit extra to use the local airport. Gawd you really have to be bad for people to be willing to subject themselves to the Stanstead experence when they have a local airport 10mins away in a taxi.
3. CAS why o why are you pissing money up the wall with this when your taxiways are in bits? I presume you have been suckered by the lowco's that they will operate services in there if you do get it. So so many regional airports have been suckered by this, buying radar etc to only find they operate in for 3 months and then decide its not worth it.
4. Pax tax it really pisses people off especially when you piss it up the wall with CAS . See point 3 about people using another airport.
5. GA you ain't busy, the tarmac isn't going anywhere, its not getting worn out by a 2 ton spam can, the ATCO's are being payed for. Have decent prices for both training and visitors. If the admin is deemed to cost alot have a way to get round it. eg a block of 20 landings for 250 quid or charge 15 quid cash. Get a self handling system in. Inverness just has a room in the C and you fill out a form with card payment details or cash and post it in a box. But for gawds sake stick the C somewhere sensible that doesn't involve having anything to do with security or the terminal.
At the moment you have pilots that don't like operating into the place, pax who begrudge paying pax tax and the ball ache of going through the terminal.
And an airport who has its head deeply buried in the sand telling itself that its doing all the right things when it is patently obvious to outsiders that it has cancer and its touch and go if its curable.
An airport to avoid for GA pilots and the hassle of flying from there as a passenger makes Stansted worth the drive for locals. The place is very anti GA for visitors to Norwich with the hassle not making a trip to the city worthwhile. NWH loves to make GA traffic taxy for 10 to 15 minutes when an intersection departure such as that at Cardiff would save time and fuel.
Blackpool and Durham Tees spaceport seem to have the same attitude.
Cambridge by contrast is a breeze.
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Nostalgia
I learned flying at Norwich which in those days was great (early nineties) with an away landing at Ipswich, left or right of the puddles......
Great memories mixing with the Fokker Friendships of Air UK
Great memories mixing with the Fokker Friendships of Air UK
vanHorck,
Get some time in boy - I remember being in my Chipmunk and sharing the circuit with Air Anglia DC3s!
(Mind you, some older than me will remember the place as RAF Horsham St Faith).
Get some time in boy - I remember being in my Chipmunk and sharing the circuit with Air Anglia DC3s!
(Mind you, some older than me will remember the place as RAF Horsham St Faith).
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The landing fee at Norwich was £30 in total but it included a nice air-conditioned brand new building and complementary (soft) drinks + tea, coffee etc.
SAXON AIR ground handling - the best in the world!
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Agreed Saxonair are very pleasant helpful bunch and for £30 for a PA28 they should be - but - beware if arriving from outside UK because then it's a swingeing £50 due to some 'clearance' fee or something. A very nasty shock as due to a nice tailwind I could have made my base direct and only stopped there because i'd filed it that way. Deeply annoying.
Nice Saxonair people if you're reading this please take note. You are on a direct track for many of us routeing from Germany/Holland/Denmark etc but I for one will do quite a lot to avoid these sorts of outrageous 'fees'.
Nice Saxonair people if you're reading this please take note. You are on a direct track for many of us routeing from Germany/Holland/Denmark etc but I for one will do quite a lot to avoid these sorts of outrageous 'fees'.
SCA,
I'm not sure whether Swanton Morley, or Middle Wallop, is the largest expanse of grass. However, I've flown from both of them and they are both huuuuuuge!
I'm not sure whether Swanton Morley, or Middle Wallop, is the largest expanse of grass. However, I've flown from both of them and they are both huuuuuuge!
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Well the large grass area seems to be still there at Swanton Morley on Google Maps, though I doubt if the Army would appreciate us landing. Seems a bit of a waste of grass at the moment though.
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My understanding is that Swanton was the biggest grass airfield in Northern Europe; sadly no more.......
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They live next door to the Control Tower on the north side of the airfield, have their own substantial grass parking area and are about 2 minutes walk from the Museum.
Check the museum opening times, Dale's doors are open 7 days per week, the museum's aren't.
They live next door to the Control Tower on the north side of the airfield, have their own substantial grass parking area and are about 2 minutes walk from the Museum.
Check the museum opening times, Dale's doors are open 7 days per week, the museum's aren't.
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Just be a little careful when flying to a certain Norwich flying school... they are, shall we say, less than quick in passing the money over to the airport, which eventually goes after the aircraft directly.
When I contacted the school as to why did they not pay the airport, I was told I must speak to the Company Secretary. Hey ho, a great answer.
Took me a few months to sort this out last time I did this
It's more fun on an N-reg because Norwich airport accounts office gets the faa.gov trust company address and send the invoice there.
When I contacted the school as to why did they not pay the airport, I was told I must speak to the Company Secretary. Hey ho, a great answer.
Took me a few months to sort this out last time I did this
It's more fun on an N-reg because Norwich airport accounts office gets the faa.gov trust company address and send the invoice there.
