How rude
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From: Massachusetts Bay Colony
Sir George,
I think you're right. This is just another case of "Anything I think is right is good airmanship. Anything I disagree with is bad airmanship", perpetual conversations that happen here all the time. I always get very leery when heading into a thread where "airmanship" is mentioned because it usually descends into an opinion-based argument bordering on religious fervor with little basis in fact or self analysis of one's personal take on it.
In other words, most posters aren't interested in learning from the discussion, they just want to convince everyone else that they're right and make the world the way they think it ought to be. Not everyone, but enough for the discussions go that way so often.
I think you're right. This is just another case of "Anything I think is right is good airmanship. Anything I disagree with is bad airmanship", perpetual conversations that happen here all the time. I always get very leery when heading into a thread where "airmanship" is mentioned because it usually descends into an opinion-based argument bordering on religious fervor with little basis in fact or self analysis of one's personal take on it.
In other words, most posters aren't interested in learning from the discussion, they just want to convince everyone else that they're right and make the world the way they think it ought to be. Not everyone, but enough for the discussions go that way so often.
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From: Retford, UK
Don't think this thread would have run to 5 pages if the OP had returned to answer what type he was in
My vote is an Me163.
FWIW, if I was at the hold with a Pitts behind, I'd probably quite like to let it through, given their limited forward vis, and the fact I quite like watching them do their stuff!
My vote is an Me163.FWIW, if I was at the hold with a Pitts behind, I'd probably quite like to let it through, given their limited forward vis, and the fact I quite like watching them do their stuff!
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From: maidenhead
Rude Pitts? that Pittsist
Looking at the first post - the moan is about "a Pitts" "Rude" "pushing in"
sounds like anti-Pitts to me - otherwise why single out the type? it could have been any old pusher-inner
What a brilliant place Leicester is, Last time I visited Leics in the autumn there were more and more Pitts Specials based there, well in to double figures. All neatly fitting in with training traffic, driven by excellent, well -meaning, high class individuals.
GLUSH is lucky there wasnt a whole load of them sitting behind him
sounds like anti-Pitts to me - otherwise why single out the type? it could have been any old pusher-inner
What a brilliant place Leicester is, Last time I visited Leics in the autumn there were more and more Pitts Specials based there, well in to double figures. All neatly fitting in with training traffic, driven by excellent, well -meaning, high class individuals.
GLUSH is lucky there wasnt a whole load of them sitting behind him
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From: UK
The runway available to backtrack on 10 at Leicester is around 200 metres (according to Google maps). So why only backtrack for 20 metres before turning around? As already pointed out, seems hardly worth it. If you were genuinely planning to backtrack the entire length of the runway, the fact that the Pitts nipped in and off by the time you'd made 20 metres suggests to me that he was well in time to allow you to have made a full backtrack of the 200 metres available.
To note - biplane / vintage radios are often rubbish. The chances are that the call entering the runway was made, but won't necessarily have been very clear making it easy to miss whilst talking to your student.
If you didn't really need to backtrack, since this magical aircraft will outperform a Pitts, then it could be argued that you were being rude by occupying the runway for an excessive and un-necessary amount of time.
By the way, I'd rather have a Pitts take off in front of me than to take off and worry about having one climbing up my chuff.
To note - biplane / vintage radios are often rubbish. The chances are that the call entering the runway was made, but won't necessarily have been very clear making it easy to miss whilst talking to your student.
If you didn't really need to backtrack, since this magical aircraft will outperform a Pitts, then it could be argued that you were being rude by occupying the runway for an excessive and un-necessary amount of time.
By the way, I'd rather have a Pitts take off in front of me than to take off and worry about having one climbing up my chuff.
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From: uk
i wonder which one it was....?
Photos: Pitts S-1-11B/260 Super Stinker Aircraft Pictures | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But not one of these!
Photos: Slingsby T-67... Aircraft Pictures | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Photos: Pitts S-1-11B/260 Super Stinker Aircraft Pictures | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But not one of these!
Photos: Slingsby T-67... Aircraft Pictures | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Massachusetts Bay Colony
Good eye, Waldo. The last white one is a Skybolt. The yellow one is something else again, but I can't remember what it was. Most of those airplanes were based at Leicester at the time.
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Pitts2112 the multiple Pitts (plural noun suggestions?) are on the hold for 10, as you can see
The yellow non-Pitts is a Stolp Starduster Too. The white non-Pitts is a Steen Skybolt.
Funnily enough, with all of those candidates shown, I believe none of them are the subject aircraft.
The yellow non-Pitts is a Stolp Starduster Too. The white non-Pitts is a Steen Skybolt.
Funnily enough, with all of those candidates shown, I believe none of them are the subject aircraft.
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From: United States of Europe
After reading this post I was put upon a similar situation. Holding behind another aircraft at an uncontrolled airfield for some time, rather than be spread across the PPRUNE as rude, I thought to inform the aircraft ahead of my intentions. Multiple calls were made from me sitting behind, all ignored. Aircraft ahead in question had a fully serviceable comm stack as I responded to his earlier radio check.
I backtracked with and departed before him. All I can say is I tried!
I backtracked with and departed before him. All I can say is I tried!
