Search for missing Cessna...
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Search for missing Cessna...
I am not sure if anyone else has posted anything else on this tragic accident, however the search for the missing Cessna 152 goes on in the Scottish Highlands, after the aircraft went missing on a flight from Inverness to the Western Isles.
For further information.. check out the BBC link below.
<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1069000/1069318.stm" TARGET="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1069000/1069318.stm</A>
Thoughts are with those who are affected by this incident.
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For further information.. check out the BBC link below.
<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1069000/1069318.stm" TARGET="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1069000/1069318.stm</A>
Thoughts are with those who are affected by this incident.
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The local BBC news said that they have managed to trace data that recorded an explosion beside a loch. Rescue workers are focusing their search on that particular area from now on. Hopefully they will find something soon
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British Geological Survey sensors recorded a faint event near the Loch Glascarnoch reservoir which lies on the main Inverness-Ullapool road. This seems a bit far north of track for a flight from overhead Dingwall/Muir of Ord to Plockton. A more likely potential crash site might be in the Loch Monar/Maoile Lunndaidh area.
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from Flyer website
The search which had been going on in the Highlands of Scotland for a Cessna 152 and its two occupants has been called off with no clues as to the fate of the light aircraft.
The search had involved several military aircraft and both civil and military rescue teams, but was hampered for much of the time by low cloud. Heavy snow may now mean that nothing will be discovered until the spring.
The rescuers had a huge area to cover, and there have been suggestions that with a flightplan or emergency locator beacon to follow their job may have been easier.
The search which had been going on in the Highlands of Scotland for a Cessna 152 and its two occupants has been called off with no clues as to the fate of the light aircraft.
The search had involved several military aircraft and both civil and military rescue teams, but was hampered for much of the time by low cloud. Heavy snow may now mean that nothing will be discovered until the spring.
The rescuers had a huge area to cover, and there have been suggestions that with a flightplan or emergency locator beacon to follow their job may have been easier.
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Very sorry to hear that the Rescue teams have called the search off. Thoughts are with those affected. I really hope that they will find some clues that will help them find the aircraft.
I have always been a person who would file a Flight Plan if time permitted when travelling cross country. On the north side of the border I am wondering if they will make some areas of the Scottish FIR mandatory Flight Plan zones for VFR. After all It would make sense!!!
I also remember, I was not told how to file a Flight Plan in my PPL training. I believe it is not on the syllabus. I taught myself and I feel that it should not be done like that!!!!
Lesson learned. I WILL file a Flight Plan with ATC if flying to another airfield.
It makes sense....doesn't it!!!
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I have always been a person who would file a Flight Plan if time permitted when travelling cross country. On the north side of the border I am wondering if they will make some areas of the Scottish FIR mandatory Flight Plan zones for VFR. After all It would make sense!!!
I also remember, I was not told how to file a Flight Plan in my PPL training. I believe it is not on the syllabus. I taught myself and I feel that it should not be done like that!!!!
Lesson learned. I WILL file a Flight Plan with ATC if flying to another airfield.
It makes sense....doesn't it!!!
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My sincere condolences to the families and friends of those involved.
I agree that a flight plan may help when flying over areas like this, but I think an ELT would help even more. Does anyone have one fitted to their aircraft? If so how much did it cost?
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I agree that a flight plan may help when flying over areas like this, but I think an ELT would help even more. Does anyone have one fitted to their aircraft? If so how much did it cost?
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Can't disagree with the recent posts, however, deviation from a flight plan in the Highlands due to the weather is always a possibility. The fact you've filed one only gives a rough idea of where you might be...exactly the case in this incident, and no guarantee of anyone finding you. An ELT is a much better bet. We have one in our aircraft.
Having just spent the day working with the authorities on the recent Aerostar fatal accident near Perth, my mind is kind of focused at the moment on the immortality of us all.
Fly safe.
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Having just spent the day working with the authorities on the recent Aerostar fatal accident near Perth, my mind is kind of focused at the moment on the immortality of us all.
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Firstly, my condolences to the families and friends of both involved.
Reading back on the previous posts I would tend to agree with 10W on the flight plan front. I'm doing a lot of flying over the Highlands at the moment and the weather can be very unpredicatable, particularly when your trying to get somewhere VFR. A diversion along the coast is usually the only sensible option, however I certainly wouldn't head off across the hills knowingly without an ELT beacon. Saying that, I don't suppose its something any of us would actually give much thought to checking when hiring an aircraft.
On that note, looking in the manual for my C172 it states that there is an ELT mounted somewhere in the tailcone which activates on impact (>5g). I haven't checked to see if it is actually there though, we have a hand held Tron ELT mounted in a convenient position in the front should it be required.
I guess its possibly just bad luck that if these poor chaps had an engine failure or some other problem they couldn't have picked a more unforgiving place to have it happen.
If that is the search definitely called off then I shall try to concentrate my hour building in that area when weather permits. At least I'd feel I was doing something useful with my time, I cant imagine how the families must feel not even knowing these poor chaps true fate.
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Reading back on the previous posts I would tend to agree with 10W on the flight plan front. I'm doing a lot of flying over the Highlands at the moment and the weather can be very unpredicatable, particularly when your trying to get somewhere VFR. A diversion along the coast is usually the only sensible option, however I certainly wouldn't head off across the hills knowingly without an ELT beacon. Saying that, I don't suppose its something any of us would actually give much thought to checking when hiring an aircraft.
On that note, looking in the manual for my C172 it states that there is an ELT mounted somewhere in the tailcone which activates on impact (>5g). I haven't checked to see if it is actually there though, we have a hand held Tron ELT mounted in a convenient position in the front should it be required.
I guess its possibly just bad luck that if these poor chaps had an engine failure or some other problem they couldn't have picked a more unforgiving place to have it happen.
If that is the search definitely called off then I shall try to concentrate my hour building in that area when weather permits. At least I'd feel I was doing something useful with my time, I cant imagine how the families must feel not even knowing these poor chaps true fate.
UA
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Just heard the latest on the local news.
Aircraft reported overhead Dingwall, then shortly afterwards was spotted circling Muir of Ord where one of the men worked.
The aircraft was then seen to be setting course back towards the West and shortly afterwards an aircraft meeting the description was spotted flying in a westerly direction in and out of cloud.
I'm not sure what the reported cloudbase was in the area at the time but there are several peaks in that area reaching over 3500'.
The local police are handing all the new information to the RCC at Kinloss in the hope of a commencing a new search at the weekend.
UA
Aircraft reported overhead Dingwall, then shortly afterwards was spotted circling Muir of Ord where one of the men worked.
The aircraft was then seen to be setting course back towards the West and shortly afterwards an aircraft meeting the description was spotted flying in a westerly direction in and out of cloud.
I'm not sure what the reported cloudbase was in the area at the time but there are several peaks in that area reaching over 3500'.
The local police are handing all the new information to the RCC at Kinloss in the hope of a commencing a new search at the weekend.
UA
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I originally posted a thread concerning this tragedy on Rumours and News, but the thraed was locked and transferred to this forum by the moderator.
regrettably there has been no further news on this missing aircraft. The two POB are still missing with no sign of wreckage. I and many others joined in with a PFA search after the officialdom stood down in an effort to try and continue with something positive, but to no avail.
I knew the pilot of this flight, having flown with him in his previous group D days and as a fare paying passenger on my flights. I have my own ideas as to the fate of the aircraft as being classic CFIT (and this is meant with no disrespect to the deceased, whom I'm sure if they were here today would emphasise these points):
NO flight plan. Hence NO overdue action. NO specific route need be specified on such, indeed it can be filed under VFR stating your fuel endurance and ETA.
NO PPR requested at the destination, despite the airfield having that requirement. Hence NO overdue action.
The missing aircraft was not reported as overdue until 6 hours after the (assumed) time of "crash" due to these shortfalls, when a business colleague telephoned to ask why the crew hadn't turned up for a meeting.
Buy TRONs etc., people, when flying over such hostile terrain. There is not enough emphasis put on respect for terrain and weather conditions in the PPL syllabus, KNOW YOUR AND THE AIRCRAFT'S LIMITATIONS AND STICK TO THEM. A pilot who turns back is respected by all for his decision.
I did some stupid "brave" things in my PPL days and luckily enough got away with them. **** was obviously not as fortunate.
Condolences to their families.
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000199.html
[This message has been edited by Kiltie (edited 19 January 2001).]
regrettably there has been no further news on this missing aircraft. The two POB are still missing with no sign of wreckage. I and many others joined in with a PFA search after the officialdom stood down in an effort to try and continue with something positive, but to no avail.
I knew the pilot of this flight, having flown with him in his previous group D days and as a fare paying passenger on my flights. I have my own ideas as to the fate of the aircraft as being classic CFIT (and this is meant with no disrespect to the deceased, whom I'm sure if they were here today would emphasise these points):
NO flight plan. Hence NO overdue action. NO specific route need be specified on such, indeed it can be filed under VFR stating your fuel endurance and ETA.
NO PPR requested at the destination, despite the airfield having that requirement. Hence NO overdue action.
The missing aircraft was not reported as overdue until 6 hours after the (assumed) time of "crash" due to these shortfalls, when a business colleague telephoned to ask why the crew hadn't turned up for a meeting.
Buy TRONs etc., people, when flying over such hostile terrain. There is not enough emphasis put on respect for terrain and weather conditions in the PPL syllabus, KNOW YOUR AND THE AIRCRAFT'S LIMITATIONS AND STICK TO THEM. A pilot who turns back is respected by all for his decision.
I did some stupid "brave" things in my PPL days and luckily enough got away with them. **** was obviously not as fortunate.
Condolences to their families.
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000199.html
[This message has been edited by Kiltie (edited 19 January 2001).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Kiltie: I originally posted a thread concerning this tragedy on Rumours and News, but the thread was locked and transferred to this forum by the moderator.</font>
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It was moved because it doesn't fit into the R&N category which is concerned with ''Rumours and News that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots ''
There has been a steady increase in posts in R&N which are not concerned with professional pilot issues and this has prompted complaints from many users worldwide that the forum was being diluted and they were spending lots of time sorting out the wheat from the chaff. As a result Danny decided that continual 'PPRuNeing' of non relevant topics should be carried out to ensure that the forum remained close to its original aim.
As simple as that, and no ulterior motive.
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There has been a steady increase in posts in R&N which are not concerned with professional pilot issues and this has prompted complaints from many users worldwide that the forum was being diluted and they were spending lots of time sorting out the wheat from the chaff. As a result Danny decided that continual 'PPRuNeing' of non relevant topics should be carried out to ensure that the forum remained close to its original aim.
As simple as that, and no ulterior motive.
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Two months now and still no sign of wreckage. Mind you most terrain over 1000' has total snow coverage so we may not see anything until the summer.
Moderators- my answer to Tricky Woo's question was fact and I did not and do not imply any "ulterior motive". Indeed, Danny Fyne had the courtesy to answer my query about threadlocking and I did not argue the point. If I wanted to appear spoilt and pedantic I would ask why other accidents of a less serious nature, such as the JP crash at Eglinton, are allowed to continue gaining responses in Rumours and News on the grounds it "affects our lives as professional pilots".......
...............but I don't !!
On a more important note I hope the PPL fraternity are taking note of what, IMHO, appears to be an ever-increasing regularity of CFIT in the UK by light aircraft.
Moderators- my answer to Tricky Woo's question was fact and I did not and do not imply any "ulterior motive". Indeed, Danny Fyne had the courtesy to answer my query about threadlocking and I did not argue the point. If I wanted to appear spoilt and pedantic I would ask why other accidents of a less serious nature, such as the JP crash at Eglinton, are allowed to continue gaining responses in Rumours and News on the grounds it "affects our lives as professional pilots".......
...............but I don't !!
On a more important note I hope the PPL fraternity are taking note of what, IMHO, appears to be an ever-increasing regularity of CFIT in the UK by light aircraft.
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Kiltie,
You're damn right about CFIT accidents over the last few years: Remember the guy from Leicester who did a CFIT in Snowdonia? Then the chap who 'heroically flared' his aircraft onto a Scottish mountain a few weeks ago...
Who knows if this disappearance is a CFIT... no clues until someone finds the wreckage. Poor sods.
You're damn right about CFIT accidents over the last few years: Remember the guy from Leicester who did a CFIT in Snowdonia? Then the chap who 'heroically flared' his aircraft onto a Scottish mountain a few weeks ago...
Who knows if this disappearance is a CFIT... no clues until someone finds the wreckage. Poor sods.
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A hillwalker yesterday telephoned police to say he has spotted wreckage in the Torridon area (peaks around 3500') ; namely an aircraft tyre which has been positively identified as that of the Cessna's, and an inflated life raft.
Mountain Rescue Teams will go and seek something more conclusive tomorrow.
Mountain Rescue Teams will go and seek something more conclusive tomorrow.