Can you do a JAA SE IR in a Seneca?
....are you willing to state that as of 8/4/2012 every N-reg pilot living in the EU will have to get a JAA PPL/IR to fly private IFR, and this is a full and complete statement of the EU legislative process? If not, please post details.
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Calm down, BB, and read your post again in the context of the thread. You post apparently authoritative posts here, suggesting that you are some kind of a CAA or EASA insider, and then you complain when somebody picks you up on this.
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Can one not do a conversion at somewhere like EFT in Florida? That would be easy for a FAA IR holder, considering you'd be flying N reg aeroplanes in US airspace 
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I am certain of this (the UK FTO business would be pretty well terminated otherwise) but years ago I saw some TV prog where some Euro airline (KLM?) was training a load of ATPL candidates in Senecas in Arizona... wonder how that worked? Were they just hour building? Surely you would rent a C150 for that, and mindlessly fly it back and forth.
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A lot of the sausage factory schools train in the US and then bring them home for the IR test. The IR is only done by a staff examiner and they do not operate in the US.
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Ah I see..... well you can do the IR reval flight in Florida ....Perhaps it is just the initial test which has to be done in JARland.
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These guys offer a FAA SE-IR to JAA SE-IR conversion at a very reasonable price / timescale. Previous students seem to have no probs getting ratings added to UK issued JAA licenses after.
These guys offer a FAA SE-IR to JAA SE-IR conversion at a very reasonable price / timescale. Previous students seem to have no probs getting ratings added to UK issued JAA licenses after.
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Admittedly when I was talking to them it was about the full 45hr course but they list the ICAO conversion on their price list.
http://www.aerofanfto.com/downloads/...-list-2010.pdf
http://www.aerofanfto.com/downloads/...-list-2010.pdf
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IO540,
Did you have a look at singles and twins flying school in Holland?
They seem to offer what you are looking for.
I have done my MEP(VFR) with them and I was very pleased with them.
From their website:
Conversion FAA SE-IR to UK/JAA MEP(land) with IR-SPA-ME:
Your FAA IR-SE can be converted to IR-SPA-ME in accordance with LASORS 2008 Section E1.2 by undertaking 15 hours IR training in a Multi-engine aeroplane. Before commencing the IR training, you need to hold the MEP(land) rating or have completed the MEP training. The MEP training consists of 6 hours training. For ME and/or IR-ME training, we use the PIPER SENECA II.
Pre-entry requirements : * Valid JAA Medical class 1 or 2.
* Holder of UK/JAA CPL(A) or UK/JAA PPL(A) with NQ(A)
* Holder of UK/JAA ATPL(A) theory including Radiotelephony licence.
* 50 hours X-country as PIC.
* Current en Valid FAA licence including FAA Medical.
* 70 hours PIC on aeroplanes.
MEP Class Rating :
6 hours PA 34
20 approaches/landings
Groundschool PA34
Pilot Operating Handbook PA34
Total amount MEP Class Rating € 3.552,50
IR-SPA-ME :
15 hours PA34
43 approaches/landings
Skill Test
1,75 hours PA34
6 approaches/landings
Skill Test including JAA Flight Examiner
Total amount IR-SPA-ME conversion € 9.742,00
Did you have a look at singles and twins flying school in Holland?
They seem to offer what you are looking for.
I have done my MEP(VFR) with them and I was very pleased with them.
From their website:
Conversion FAA SE-IR to UK/JAA MEP(land) with IR-SPA-ME:
Your FAA IR-SE can be converted to IR-SPA-ME in accordance with LASORS 2008 Section E1.2 by undertaking 15 hours IR training in a Multi-engine aeroplane. Before commencing the IR training, you need to hold the MEP(land) rating or have completed the MEP training. The MEP training consists of 6 hours training. For ME and/or IR-ME training, we use the PIPER SENECA II.
Pre-entry requirements : * Valid JAA Medical class 1 or 2.
* Holder of UK/JAA CPL(A) or UK/JAA PPL(A) with NQ(A)
* Holder of UK/JAA ATPL(A) theory including Radiotelephony licence.
* 50 hours X-country as PIC.
* Current en Valid FAA licence including FAA Medical.
* 70 hours PIC on aeroplanes.
MEP Class Rating :
6 hours PA 34
20 approaches/landings
Groundschool PA34
Pilot Operating Handbook PA34
Total amount MEP Class Rating € 3.552,50
IR-SPA-ME :
15 hours PA34
43 approaches/landings
Skill Test
1,75 hours PA34
6 approaches/landings
Skill Test including JAA Flight Examiner
Total amount IR-SPA-ME conversion € 9.742,00
Wow - their 172 price is less than 2/3rds the price of the one at my club! Might have to look into Lelystadt flying next year....
Do you know if they will convert to a single engine IR, or only multi?
Do you know if they will convert to a single engine IR, or only multi?
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A Class Rating Examiner (CRE) can revalidate IR's if they hold a IRI. You only need a JAA PPL to be a CRE if you have held a professional licence of some type (I.e. FAA CPL) at some time. You can hold an IRI on a PPL so the whole lot can be PPL.