Airmanshipfrom the other end

[autothrottle]

Oh dear,

I feel that our friend Pete Morris is also forgetting the basic rules of the air here.Yes, the Visual Flight Rules mean that the responsibility for separation outside Regulated airspace rests with the "SEE AND AVOID"principle and therefore the pilot.(As it does in CAS too,the buck stops with the pilot.). .Remember though Pete, that the following are parts of the ANO and Rules of the Air:

. .1)A VFR FLIGHT WITHIN ,INTO OR ALONG ROUTES WETHER IN CAS OR NOT ,SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED WITH THE PURPOSE OF THE PILOT MAINTAINING A LISTENING WATCH SHALL MAKE A CONTINUOUS WATCH ON THE RTF FREQUENCY AND REPORT HIS POSITION TO THE ATSU.

2)OPERATION ON OR IN THE VACINITY OF AN AERODROME.. .AN AIRCRAFT ON OR IN THE VACINITY OF AN AERODROME MUST,WETHER IN THE ATZ OR NOT:

OBSERVE OTHER A/C FOR PURPOSE OF AVOIDING COLLISION,. .CONFORM TO THE TRAFFIC PATTERN

amongst others.

While I can see your point about class G airspace,it must be remembered that by passing through an IAP outside CAS in the Manner CM described is not only illegal but dangerous too.This airfield has an IAP for a reason, and that approach is legal.

You could be CA 1261'd ,CA939'd for such action.

Whenever I transition from IFR (in IMC)to IFR (IN VMC )outside CAS ,I realise that although I am in class G airspace and recieving a RAS ,I need to lookout still,but I do hope that fellow flyers are doing their bit and avoiding IAP altogether.

Cheers

autothrottle.

[bagpuss lives]

At last some sense - thank you autothrottle and Girl Flyday <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

There is no doubt at all that this incident should have been 1261'd (at least) for everyone's benefit. Paperwork is crap but so is answering a panels questions as to why you didn't file on this idiot.

There can be no excuse at all for this outrageously unsafe bit of "aviation" and it sadly makes me glad we don't get a lot of VFR stuff buzzing around my unit any longer - apart from the odd "G-LOST" and the Ravenair chaps who are all impeccably behaved - if not a bit easilt confused between 06R and 06R at times

Also, surely questions must be asked of the commander of the commercial flight for not responding to his RA regardless of any traffic information passed. Pretty big gamble if you ask me?

I thought it was decreed in SOPs these days that the TCAS is to be followed at all times - at least that's what we're told in TRUCE <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Oh and lastly a message for Pete Morris - I sincerely hope you don't fly close to EGCC or any airspace I'm controlling with those interesting ideas you have.

We're all supposed to be on the same side ya know? IFR, VFR, ATC, CAA, IRS, SOS....oh sorry got carried away there <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

The rules were broken and the pilot concerned should be whipped and beaten senseless for doing something so blatently, and this needs to be said, stupid ------ "Here I am in my little Cessna (whatever) and there's an airliner 5700kg and above with nasty big engines and lots of people on board flying siomewhat faster than I am. I know I'll fly towards him and totally ignore ATC instructions. ATC - pah! - must be fibbing to me - they all hate us VFR chaps anyhow. He must be telling me to keep away and follow from a distance just for a laugh or something to do"

That sense to you is it sir?

C'mon - you can't defend the blatently guilty <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

[Ludwig]

This thread reminds me of a ditty I read somewhere:. .. .Here lies the body of Johnny Gray. .He died maintaining his right of way. .His will was strong. .His way was right. .but he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong