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Swapping seats is not the issue. The question was whether a passenger should occupy the primary pilot positon.
Re Trial Lessons, if it IS a proper trial lesson than the student should be properly briefed: this should include the operation of controls that the instructor may not easily be able to reach and a full safety brief.
(Incidentally, as a test pilot I feel qualified to comment on cockpit ergonomics and I have instructed both on fixed and rotary wing on a variety of aircraft.)
Edit: How odd. Have just discovered that my original post seems to have gone astray. On 12th I said more or less the following:
1. Consider problems with access to primary, secondary and systems controls, view of instruments etc.
2. Is there a stipulation in Flight Manaual as to which seat aircraft should be flown from single pilot?
3. Bearing in mind 1 and 2, am I open to prosecution under Art 63/64 ANO (endangering safety of aircraft/persons) or to find my insurance company won't pay up if it all goes horribly wrong?
I'm not trying to spoil anybody's fun but there are practical and, potentially, legal pitfalls. That's why the questioner was right to ask.
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Re Trial Lessons, if it IS a proper trial lesson than the student should be properly briefed: this should include the operation of controls that the instructor may not easily be able to reach and a full safety brief.
(Incidentally, as a test pilot I feel qualified to comment on cockpit ergonomics and I have instructed both on fixed and rotary wing on a variety of aircraft.)
Edit: How odd. Have just discovered that my original post seems to have gone astray. On 12th I said more or less the following:
1. Consider problems with access to primary, secondary and systems controls, view of instruments etc.
2. Is there a stipulation in Flight Manaual as to which seat aircraft should be flown from single pilot?
3. Bearing in mind 1 and 2, am I open to prosecution under Art 63/64 ANO (endangering safety of aircraft/persons) or to find my insurance company won't pay up if it all goes horribly wrong?
I'm not trying to spoil anybody's fun but there are practical and, potentially, legal pitfalls. That's why the questioner was right to ask.
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Hi surley there are other considerations,apart from can the a/c physicaly flown from either seat,not withstanding,the pa28 fuel probs which are accepted.That is the one of rites of way on the ground and and in the air,surly this plays a part,and I am sure I read that the left seat of a fixed wing should be occupied during t/off and landing.but that was a while ago. bye for now
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Chilli, Your post doesn't make sense if you consider the first flight of a new student, you cannot expect the student to be able to handle all the things a more qualified pilot would. Personally I have flown left, right, front and back of all the airplanes I have owned. However, it doesn't take a lot to explain to someone how to operate a switch or lever you cannot reach if you are in another seat. In a tandem airplane I always put people in the front, better view etc. There are one or two things I cannot reach but always brief before we go. If they can't or won't attend to the brief, we don't aviate.
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Read the whole forum. We're talking NOT about an instructor, who is teaching the student from the right hand seat. It's talking about an ordinary PPL who is putting himself at a disadventage - for what reason? I've flown a '28 in IMC from the RHS - if you're not used to it it's bloody hard work (I am not an instructor).
There is no sensible reason to do what this person is asking - unless he's doing instructing without a rating of course <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> It all boils down to an application of common sense - whatever the legalities.
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Read the whole forum. We're talking NOT about an instructor, who is teaching the student from the right hand seat. It's talking about an ordinary PPL who is putting himself at a disadventage - for what reason? I've flown a '28 in IMC from the RHS - if you're not used to it it's bloody hard work (I am not an instructor).
There is no sensible reason to do what this person is asking - unless he's doing instructing without a rating of course <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> It all boils down to an application of common sense - whatever the legalities.
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Who in their right mind would attempt to fly IMC from the wrong side ! Flying from the right is not difficult, it's not special, it expands your abilities, it allows new people to feel more part of the flight, it may inspire them to start flying. Then of course they would find out that flying does not need superhuman skills, something that some pilots seem to exploit. If you don't like doing it, don't. If you've not done it, try it with a licenced mate first, but please don't fly IMC there, we don't want another statistic <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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I am a PPL and have a fair number of hours (probably over 60) flying from the right hand seat. I share an aircraft with a friend (also a PPL) and he finds it very difficult to fly at all from the right hand side. So that largely determines who sits where. But he is a PPL and I have a fair amount more experience and perhaps more importantly a lot more types - which may be why I can work out which lever is the throttle etc.
But the point of this thread looks to be someone looking for a rule to enforce some common sense. Amazingly it seems there isn't one! when an aircraft can only fly when the weight of paper exceeds the airframe there isn't a rule on whcih seat!
So the only course is for the group to confront (yes nasty word I know) the member and simply state it is a needlessly hazardous activity which will cause the loss of the share if it is undertaken.
I've been in a few groups and the amount of festering resentment caused by people doing dumb things but no one really wanting to lay down the 'law' has to be experienced to be believed. This looks just like that sort of situation - do something about it or stop complaining!
But the point of this thread looks to be someone looking for a rule to enforce some common sense. Amazingly it seems there isn't one! when an aircraft can only fly when the weight of paper exceeds the airframe there isn't a rule on whcih seat!
So the only course is for the group to confront (yes nasty word I know) the member and simply state it is a needlessly hazardous activity which will cause the loss of the share if it is undertaken.
I've been in a few groups and the amount of festering resentment caused by people doing dumb things but no one really wanting to lay down the 'law' has to be experienced to be believed. This looks just like that sort of situation - do something about it or stop complaining!
