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Hannah your 14 years old calm down to a panic !!!!!!
Go and find out about your local air training cadets there is a chance of getting 10 hours flying with them.
Airleague again there are grants and very good ones at that.
There gliding scholerships with the Navy and RAF.
The Guild of Professional pilots and Navigators also have fund grants etc.
And I take it as well you are female so The Womens Pilot Association also have grants. Whirly bird will be able to point you in thier direction
She will also give you advice on how to deal with sexist male pigs of pilots ;-)
Good luck I hope you get to where you want to be..
Go and find out about your local air training cadets there is a chance of getting 10 hours flying with them.
Airleague again there are grants and very good ones at that.
There gliding scholerships with the Navy and RAF.
The Guild of Professional pilots and Navigators also have fund grants etc.
And I take it as well you are female so The Womens Pilot Association also have grants. Whirly bird will be able to point you in thier direction
She will also give you advice on how to deal with sexist male pigs of pilots ;-)
Good luck I hope you get to where you want to be..
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Joe, have you thought about 3 axis microlights. They won't help build hours but will give you some lovely flying experiences. I had some of my best flying with my first X-Air (remember the flying windsock at Sleap) Twas me!
Posher aircraft to follow but the X-Air was most fun even if too chilly for wife
You could even have a word with Ray at Chirk or theres a chap at Stafford.
Holiday in Portugal with Gerry Breen and fly with him, combine holiday and fun.
Lots cheaper
Posher aircraft to follow but the X-Air was most fun even if too chilly for wife
You could even have a word with Ray at Chirk or theres a chap at Stafford.
Holiday in Portugal with Gerry Breen and fly with him, combine holiday and fun.
Lots cheaper
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Ahhh yes, I've flown with Nick stokes in his foxbat. Good fun to fly and possibly cheaper per hour, I'll have to look up on that one!
And as for Hannah222, Mad Jock is absolutely correct. Around this time of year the RAF gliding scholorships go ahead, you can apply in the winter time. You have to be 16 year old. More than likely you will be in a TMG. There not to hard to get, I got one, Brilliant experience, lots of free flying. I would definatly look into it. I wouldnt start ploughing loads of money into flying lessons just yet, as your only 14 and you may realise you don't like it ( which I doubt is the case).
Cheers, Joe
And as for Hannah222, Mad Jock is absolutely correct. Around this time of year the RAF gliding scholorships go ahead, you can apply in the winter time. You have to be 16 year old. More than likely you will be in a TMG. There not to hard to get, I got one, Brilliant experience, lots of free flying. I would definatly look into it. I wouldnt start ploughing loads of money into flying lessons just yet, as your only 14 and you may realise you don't like it ( which I doubt is the case).
Cheers, Joe
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ok, well i've been googling a lot of stuff and the flying sounds so good and yes i think i'm wanting to be a commercial pilot. I know it costs a load of money so I'm going to have a trial lesson (hopefully) but does anyone know wether there is a waiting list or if you can just book it as it's my b'day soon. I've read lots about young people more likely to get a scholarship and funding so that's sorta the reason why I want to start soon. I considered joining air cadets but I don't like what the army or RAF does so I don't want to join- even though it could help with flying. A lot of the grants and things I've seen need you to live in a certain place or be over 17 so I'd have to wait. One I have found 'The Glen Stewart Flying Scholarship' is for people over 15 so that would be good. Does anyone know anyone who's got a scholarship for something and if they have how hard are they to get? I was also wandering, besides being a commercial pilot, what other job could a pilot get? x
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I'm going to have a trial lesson (hopefully) but does anyone know wether there is a waiting list or if you can just book it
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Joe/Hannah,
My advice... go to your local University. Live at home, work part-time. Use all of the cheap credit available as a student to fund your flying while studying for a decent, relevant degree which will help you pay for your CPL & IR after you graduate and give you a decent job if you finish your training in a downturn.
Fly at least once month, never lose currency and slowly build up your hours over the years. You've got bags of time. Try and get your hands on as much free flying as possible - GAPAN, Air League, etc.
PM me if you like.
I fly into Sleap a lot. Might have even seen you around!
My advice... go to your local University. Live at home, work part-time. Use all of the cheap credit available as a student to fund your flying while studying for a decent, relevant degree which will help you pay for your CPL & IR after you graduate and give you a decent job if you finish your training in a downturn.
Fly at least once month, never lose currency and slowly build up your hours over the years. You've got bags of time. Try and get your hands on as much free flying as possible - GAPAN, Air League, etc.
PM me if you like.
I fly into Sleap a lot. Might have even seen you around!
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So, slog your guts out all weekend and get half an hour flying (which means twenty minutes in the air and ten minutes pissing around on the ground),
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I considered joining air cadets but I don't like what the army or RAF does
You need to think about that one carefully. Pacifism is a possible view of the world but it is a hard line to take. You don't have to agree with every war the politicians get us involved in - I don't think many of the army or RAF were that keen on Iraq, for example - but it's a bold step to say that we shouldn't therefore have armed forces at all.
I'm sure you've thought about it already - but get to know a bit more about them before making that judgment. Perhaps even go along to the Air Cadets for a couple of taster evenings? It's not all that military, anyway...
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I considered joining air cadets but I don't like what the army or RAF does....
Bit patronising, some of those comments. Just because Hannah says she doesn't like what the Army or RAF does doesn't imply she doesn't know what they do, nor does it imply she's a pacifist.
By the way, I'm not a lawyer, but does pacifism disqualify one legally or morally from flying?
By the way, I'm not a lawyer, but does pacifism disqualify one legally or morally from flying?
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This is off the point completely but yes I do know what the army does. My brother spent a year in Iraq and he's lost countless friends and I don't see how anything else the army does can equal the fact that they do go to war and kill people.
Poose, you said to get a decent relevant degree but what would that be- something to do with physics or maths? Because they're not really my favourite subjects even though I'm quite good at them. Lol also you said you fly to Sleap a lot do you think it's a good airfield because I really wouldn't know even if I went! X
Poose, you said to get a decent relevant degree but what would that be- something to do with physics or maths? Because they're not really my favourite subjects even though I'm quite good at them. Lol also you said you fly to Sleap a lot do you think it's a good airfield because I really wouldn't know even if I went! X
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With regard to Hannah's question as to what is the relevant sort of degree for someone with ambitions to fly professionally, I would have thought university maths and physics is far too advanced for what comes up in aviation examinations. Perhaps some ATPL's could comment.
I would have thought that, for example, engineering, particularly aeronautical engineering, might be more appropriate. But if Hannah does not really like maths or physics, three or four years studying at that level is not going to be the most enjoyable experience.
And anyway, all this is before we know whether she's going to get motion sickness or not.
By the way, if Hannah's mother thinks that gliding has got nothing to do with flying, I don't think she is the best person to give advice. Glider pilots fly, yes fly, up to hundreds of miles in one flight, fly for hours, and can gain height using air currents from a launch of 1000 to 3000 feet up to 20, 30, or even 40,000 feet. It's a bit like saying that someone who goes sailing knows nothing about boats.
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I would have thought that, for example, engineering, particularly aeronautical engineering, might be more appropriate. But if Hannah does not really like maths or physics, three or four years studying at that level is not going to be the most enjoyable experience.
And anyway, all this is before we know whether she's going to get motion sickness or not.
By the way, if Hannah's mother thinks that gliding has got nothing to do with flying, I don't think she is the best person to give advice. Glider pilots fly, yes fly, up to hundreds of miles in one flight, fly for hours, and can gain height using air currents from a launch of 1000 to 3000 feet up to 20, 30, or even 40,000 feet. It's a bit like saying that someone who goes sailing knows nothing about boats.
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By the way, if Hannah's mother thinks that gliding has got nothing to do with flying, I don't think she is the best person to give advice. Glider pilots fly, yes fly, up to hundreds of miles in one flight, fly for hours, and can gain height using air currents from a launch of 1000 to 3000 feet up to 20, 30, or even 40,000 feet.
Here's a few reasonable flights from just the past couple of weeks:
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Hannah,
I did Mechanical Engineering at University. So, I was thinking something along the engineering lines, as opposed to Sports Science or a degree in Underwater Knife fighting at Hollyoaks College...
Anything engineering based stands you in good stead. Not critical, but it gives you options to fall back on if you cannot get a flying job straight out away. Also, if you're working you have the means to fund your flying training. I was not a natural mathematician at school, but I worked hard and became one. Don't write yourself off. I often found that the subjects I couldn't do initially were the ones I ended up being good at, because of the extra time I had to put into them. Just my experience...
My reference to Sleap Aerodrome was to Joe. Incidentally, a good cafeteria ususally ticks the box on my aerodrome hit list!
Have a look into the forces, you'd be surprised what you can do. A bit of research doesn't hurt. Incidentally, the Army doesn't just 'kill people'... It defends this nation and it's interests from people who want to attack our way of life...
Good luck!
I did Mechanical Engineering at University. So, I was thinking something along the engineering lines, as opposed to Sports Science or a degree in Underwater Knife fighting at Hollyoaks College...
Anything engineering based stands you in good stead. Not critical, but it gives you options to fall back on if you cannot get a flying job straight out away. Also, if you're working you have the means to fund your flying training. I was not a natural mathematician at school, but I worked hard and became one. Don't write yourself off. I often found that the subjects I couldn't do initially were the ones I ended up being good at, because of the extra time I had to put into them. Just my experience...
My reference to Sleap Aerodrome was to Joe. Incidentally, a good cafeteria ususally ticks the box on my aerodrome hit list!
Have a look into the forces, you'd be surprised what you can do. A bit of research doesn't hurt. Incidentally, the Army doesn't just 'kill people'... It defends this nation and it's interests from people who want to attack our way of life...
Good luck!
But the services are much more complex and varied than only the army on the front line - admirable and tough though that is itself. As others have said, they also defend your right to criticise them !
Poose, you said to get a decent relevant degree but what would that be- something to do with physics or maths? Because they're not really my favourite subjects even though I'm quite good at them. Lol also you said you fly to Sleap a lot do you think it's a good airfield because I really wouldn't know even if I went! X
Personally I didn't really enjoy maths at school, although got on better with physics. And then I ended up with two engineering degrees (and doing stacks of flying partly because of them). Maths and Physics are only languages to describe much sexier stuff like supersonic aerodynamics, aircraft handling, or flight performance and navigation. Look at the degree courses out there - that may be 4-5 years away, but looking at what you could study, finding the stuff you personally find really exciting, and positioning yourself in that general direction, will do you great favours.
A further thought on the flying, you are young and if you go into a professional flying career you'll have thousands of hours. Getting from A to B requires flying experience, much more than it does just hours in the right column of your logbook. So right now, I'd look seriously at gliding club junior sections, air cadets, flights for helping out at the local microlight club. Absolutely anything that builds your flying experience, AND is loggable. I'd worry a lot less right now about exactly what it's in - that worrying you can do in a few years time. In many ways gliding is the best thing you can do, because you probably have more time than money, and gliding is both cheap, and a fantastic introduction to real "stick and rudder" flying (I wish I had at 14, but I didn't get the bug until I was 19 - you've got a 5 year head start on me!).
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I'd second all that Genghis says. Gliding (my first passion) proves to be an excellent background for other forms of aviation (more recent pursuits), and is a great route into them - we have plenty of club members who went on to the RAF and/or airlines, but who still come gliding at weekends. And any other way of getting into the air is good!
You don't need university physics, maths or engineering, but they certainly help! I teach physics at Genghis's alma mater, and practice and theory of flying in all forms are both more interesting and understandable with a bit of scientific knowledge and an inquisitive approach. If I ever have the time, I'd love to develop an optional course here on the physics for flight, because it provides so many interesting examples of fundamental phenomena.
Good luck with your flying!
Windrusher
You don't need university physics, maths or engineering, but they certainly help! I teach physics at Genghis's alma mater, and practice and theory of flying in all forms are both more interesting and understandable with a bit of scientific knowledge and an inquisitive approach. If I ever have the time, I'd love to develop an optional course here on the physics for flight, because it provides so many interesting examples of fundamental phenomena.
Good luck with your flying!
Windrusher
Of course it is just possible that you might decide in due course that aviation (of any sort) isn't the career for you. Many people have a strong idea of career choice in their mid-teens, but change totally by mid-twenties. Getting a degree (not necessarily aviation-related) keeps your options open, and university is still the best chance most people get of studying a subject just for the pure hell of it (even if it does seem like hell some of the time
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As some have said, there are degree subjects relevant to aviation, but a degree in anything is no disadvantage to a career in flying. A colleague of mine was a graduate accountant (and a very good one, I gather, not that I know much about accountancy) and she decided to take up flying and is now flying heavy metal.
). As some have said, there are degree subjects relevant to aviation, but a degree in anything is no disadvantage to a career in flying. A colleague of mine was a graduate accountant (and a very good one, I gather, not that I know much about accountancy) and she decided to take up flying and is now flying heavy metal.
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Hi Hannah
I was in your position 10yrs ago and despite hanging around my local aerodrome and getting the occasional flight for doing odd jobs it wasn't until I was 24 that I finally got my licence!
Be patient if you really want it you'll find a way to get there in the end!
I was in your position 10yrs ago and despite hanging around my local aerodrome and getting the occasional flight for doing odd jobs it wasn't until I was 24 that I finally got my licence!
Be patient if you really want it you'll find a way to get there in the end!
