Overhead Join in UK please!!

[unusualAtitude]

Hi all,

Could anyone point me to where, in their respective AIP that instructions are given for joining the traffic at an uncontrolled airfield.

uA.......

[IRRenewal]

This is a starting point.

NATS | AIS - Home

EDIT:

That link doen't seem to work. Try going to AIS.ORG.UK, then go to
IAIP -->> Aerodrome Index - Specific


If there are specific requirements regarding joins it will be in section 2.22, Flight Procedures. If you look at the AIP pages for Duxford it states 'there are no overhead joins at Duxford'.

You might have to be a bit more specific regarding the field your question is about. It might be more of a 'rules of the air' or 'airmanship' issue than an AIP issue.

Ultimately, at an uncontrolled airfield they cannot (by definition) tell you to fly around the circuit in a particular manner. But it does help everybody if you do it the way they ask you to. It possibly also means you're welcome to visit again should you wish to.

[welliewanger]

Hi,
I tried following IRRenewal's link, but it didn't work. He was probably pointing you to the same thing as I'm about to suggest:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ga_srgw...osterJan09.pdf

[Spitoon]

Ultimately, at an uncontrolled airfield they cannot (by definition) tell you to fly around the circuit in a particular manner.

Interesting comment, but I'm not sure that it's strictly correct.

Uncontrolled means that there is no ATC service but that does not absolve anyone from following the procedures that have been published in the AIP.

Now, an unlicensed strip is another matter....

[Flyingmac]

Only do an overhead join if it's requested. Don't assume there's a 'deadside'. There often isn't, for any number of reasons. At some major fly-ins a temporary overhead join is put in place when traffic volume is likely to be high. My home base has no deadside and should you choose to invent one you'd be less than popular with the operator or local residents.

[jez d]

Always sensible to assume that there will be square-jawed, sky heroes aerobating in the overhead, so always a good idea to call and ask beforehand what the preferred joining procedure is.

Regards, jez

[mary meagher]

AND DON'T EVEN THINK OF TRYING AN OVERHEAD JOIN AT A WINCH SITE GLIDING CLUB!

Prior permission should have let you know that, but we had a chap who actually kept his little plane at our gliding site who suffered a brain failure on return from elsewhere. Fortunately the winch driver noticed, otherwise he might have been reeled in like an unfortunate tuna....

No two airfields alike, that's the rule.

[fuzzy6988]

On a slightly separate note, was there any work done to assess the feasibility of a US-style 45-degree downwind join, across the whole of the UK?

[robin]

On a slightly separate note, was there any work done to assess the feasibility of a US-style 45-degree downwind join, across the whole of the UK?

Given the way many fly bomber circuits the size of the whole of the UK, I can't see there's a problem .......

[OpenCirrus619]

Don't forget parachute sites!!

From Lashenden's AIP entry:

b. Whilst parachuting is in progress:

1. No overhead joining, aeroplanes should join downwind of the runway-in-use;
2. Aeroplanes are to avoid the Drop Zone and the area in the undershoot of Runway 29 whenever parachuting is in progress;
3. Helicopters may not operate in the ATZ and should check with A/G Station that no parachuting is in progress before engaging rotors.

OC619

[Ryan5252]

"Helicopters may not operate in the ATZ and should check with A/G Station that no parachuting is in progress before engaging rotors."

Ouch!!!

[vintage ATCO]

Ultimately, at an uncontrolled airfield they cannot (by definition) tell you to fly around the circuit in a particular manner.

Rule 12 can however.

[140KIAS]

Try the CAA Guide to Visual Flight Rules in the UK

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/64/VFR_Guide_03_09.pdf

[vee-tail-1]

OMG! Not the dreaded OHJ again. The dangers of this have been done to death on numerous posts here. Always phone and check the prefered joining procedure, and use safetycom if it is a private strip. Any local traffic will be able to give you r/w in use, wind, etc. Please please don't visit an uncontrolled strip in France and do an OHJ

[Lister Noble]

140

A bit loud my son,but very useful.
Interesting to note how much one forgets after just a few years,even at a young age such as mine.
Cheers

[140KIAS]

LN - it didnt look like that when I typed it in. Will try and find the volume control

[VMC-on-top]

Slightly off topic but what about at a private airfield -do an overhead join as standard to assess wind direction and ground conditions, or low approach and go around?

[IO540]

I don't know the legality of disregarding instructions at a Class G airfield (I thought that if it has an ATZ and ATC then the ATCO can issue orders within the ATZ) but unfortunately the OHJ has been brought into some disrepute by a number of A/Gs or FISOs who overly enjoy their perceived power and order arriving pilots to use the OHJ even when there is zero traffic, and (upon query) the man admits he has no known traffic

Panshanger comes to mind, though it is years since I last went there.

I usually intercept the extended runway centreline and join on a long final, unless there is traffic.

[Jofm5]

IO540

I don't know the legality of disregarding instructions at a Class G airfield (I thought that if it has an ATZ and ATC then the ATCO can issue orders within the ATZ) but unfortunately the OHJ has been brought into some disrepute by a number of A/Gs or FISOs who overly enjoy their perceived power and order arriving pilots to use the OHJ even when there is zero traffic, and (upon query) the man admits he has no known traffic

Before you shoot me down in flames, I am a ppl student of 8hrs half of which were done at panshanger (unfortunately the work situation dictates I have to put that on hold).

However, my observations from my time around the place is that the radio is not permanently manned as its usually done by instructors that are around the club house at the time (rightfully or wrongfully - I dont know enough yet to judge).

However I would put forward that if whoever spoke to you on the radio could not guarantee there was no traffic in the circuit then the correct thing to do is ask for an ohj so that you can assess the traffic situation yourself.

In my limited knowledge an OHJ is the safest way to join the circuit when the traffic situation is unknown, I concede there are AIP's for different aerodromes where join procedures are different and multiple circuits operate (hopefully we all think ahead and research that before going there).

Would be interested in your views as am still on the learning curve here.

[gasax]

to reply to VMC on top

Slightly off topic but what about at a private airfield -do an overhead join as standard to assess wind direction and ground conditions, or low approach and go around?

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Remember that technically it is illegal to carry out a low approach and go around if the intention is not to land. Having said that I occasionally do both, the overhead join gives time to assess the approaches, wind and other obstacles houses, horses etc, whilts the go around is the final check that there are no rabbit holes or fence posts of other 'stuff' that finds its way onto strips.

But you must look like you're intending to land - so landing configuration and speed and a controlled go around. Try a high speed pass at low level and unfortunately the legal precedent was set a long time ago.