Lee-on-Solent
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Lee-on-Solent
Firstly, does anyone have any info. on flying into this airfield as from what I can see it is not straightfoward.
Furthermore, can anyone give any route advice on flying from Blackpool to Lee-on-Solent.
Weather permitting the flight can be undertaken VFR or planned initially as IFR and with the weather being good at the other-end I'd plan on cancelling the IFR.
Any ideas or anyone done a smiliarly long trip in a Warrior or similar.
Much Appreciated
Furthermore, can anyone give any route advice on flying from Blackpool to Lee-on-Solent.
Weather permitting the flight can be undertaken VFR or planned initially as IFR and with the weather being good at the other-end I'd plan on cancelling the IFR.
Any ideas or anyone done a smiliarly long trip in a Warrior or similar.
Much Appreciated
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Lee-on-Solent
Planning a trip from Blackpool (EGNH) to Lee-on-Solent (EGHF) and am after some tips from anyone that has done a similar or lengthy x-country.
Guidance on route would be nice as would any info. regarding Lee-on-Solent as even after reading details on the website I am still a bit confused on the GA aspect of flying into there.
How are Brize Norton re: transiting their zone.
Weatherwise obviously I'd hope for VFR all the way but wonder if an IFR plan could be used and later cancelled if Lee-on-Solent is VMC, that said it appears to have no instrument facilities so what I have said may just be !!!!!e.
Anyway, any thoughts appreciated.
PS. Flight would be on a weekday.
Guidance on route would be nice as would any info. regarding Lee-on-Solent as even after reading details on the website I am still a bit confused on the GA aspect of flying into there.
How are Brize Norton re: transiting their zone.
Weatherwise obviously I'd hope for VFR all the way but wonder if an IFR plan could be used and later cancelled if Lee-on-Solent is VMC, that said it appears to have no instrument facilities so what I have said may just be !!!!!e.
Anyway, any thoughts appreciated.
PS. Flight would be on a weekday.
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Hi;
Don't know if this helps Lee Flying Association...but it's as good a place as any to start!
Don't know if this helps Lee Flying Association...but it's as good a place as any to start!
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Brize are fine for transiting their zone but anyway if you fly above 3500ft QNH they cannot stop you; just call them up and they will give you a radar service, generally.
Flying in UK Class G is easy. Just draw the line on the map, avoiding controlled airspace, etc.
Flying in UK Class G is easy. Just draw the line on the map, avoiding controlled airspace, etc.
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You may struggle to get into Lee. Its owned by the SAR Heli company(cant remember their names) and run by the police on their behalf as they run the BN2T4000 out of there...and they dont like people flying in there although you could try to call them and ask, they may have changed their attitude!!!
You might get a better response in the Private flying forum.
Good luck.
You might get a better response in the Private flying forum.
Good luck.
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Yes I have an IR, yes I am rusty on IFR procedures, more so regarding the destination. Slightly ashamed I'm asking these questions but I'd rather ask than not.
All I ask for is suggested routes or nearby destinations. It's a 200nm trip, I hope for VMC all the way but sods law, it won't happen. Then what? I fly IFR all the way to Southampton as opposed to Lee-on-Solent unless people can suggest otherwise. Suggested airways or waypoints etc etc. What if it turns out to be VMC at preferred destination, i.e. Lee-on-Solent?
I've come across this in my searching. As usual many opinions but there is some consistency in what they're saying.
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...-airway-2.html
Anything else you're missing feel free to ask.
Yes I have an IR, yes I am rusty on IFR procedures, more so regarding the destination. Slightly ashamed I'm asking these questions but I'd rather ask than not.
All I ask for is suggested routes or nearby destinations. It's a 200nm trip, I hope for VMC all the way but sods law, it won't happen. Then what? I fly IFR all the way to Southampton as opposed to Lee-on-Solent unless people can suggest otherwise. Suggested airways or waypoints etc etc. What if it turns out to be VMC at preferred destination, i.e. Lee-on-Solent?
I've come across this in my searching. As usual many opinions but there is some consistency in what they're saying.
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...-airway-2.html
Anything else you're missing feel free to ask.
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Lee as you are probably aware is strictly PPR and you must receive a pre flight briefing. It is a super place to go and really not a problem. The carvan is the pilots "house" and very comfy it is to. You also do need to check if Fleetlands is "cold" and ensure you follow the specified joining procedures.
In terms of the route if VFR (or IFR non airways) I would assume you are familiar with the Manchester corridor, thereafter a straight line looks pretty good except make sure you are aware of the RPs for Brise as they like to give you transits from one RP to another, you may need a clearance from Boscombe, and dont forget that solent are known for not erhm always falling over themselves to approve transits.
PS Having just seen your reply which crossed you could fly the whole route IFR / IMC non airways if you want, there is nothing to stop you but there is still no guarantee Solent will clear you IFR. Lee has no IAP so you would need to divert to Southampton or Bournemouth if you cant get in. Southampton will prove expensive unless booked in advance in which case it is still not cheap, Bournemouth less so. I am not sure if they are part of the Strasser scheme, I guess they probably are. Lee is not too bad for a scud run approach if required with a descent over the Solent - the last time I was there it was a bit like that.
In terms of the route if VFR (or IFR non airways) I would assume you are familiar with the Manchester corridor, thereafter a straight line looks pretty good except make sure you are aware of the RPs for Brise as they like to give you transits from one RP to another, you may need a clearance from Boscombe, and dont forget that solent are known for not erhm always falling over themselves to approve transits.
PS Having just seen your reply which crossed you could fly the whole route IFR / IMC non airways if you want, there is nothing to stop you but there is still no guarantee Solent will clear you IFR. Lee has no IAP so you would need to divert to Southampton or Bournemouth if you cant get in. Southampton will prove expensive unless booked in advance in which case it is still not cheap, Bournemouth less so. I am not sure if they are part of the Strasser scheme, I guess they probably are. Lee is not too bad for a scud run approach if required with a descent over the Solent - the last time I was there it was a bit like that.
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Cheers for that. Very informative.
I've just sent a few emails and made some calls in order to secure a 'host' at Lee. My main issue is as you can imagine a lot of IFR training and therefore the bulk of my experience is largely within airways and heavily focused on flying (aysmmetric) approaches etc etc.
So a 200nm 'straight' off airways route is definately not something I claim to have much experience in.
BUT, you have to start somewhere I guess.
Having read that link I posted there seems to be no need to flightplan at all on such a flight and if I choose to go IFR in uncontrolled airspace and off airways, there appears to be no issue beside pilot qualifications.
It's been too long since I did any GA in the UK but where better to start than straight into the deep-end.
I've just sent a few emails and made some calls in order to secure a 'host' at Lee. My main issue is as you can imagine a lot of IFR training and therefore the bulk of my experience is largely within airways and heavily focused on flying (aysmmetric) approaches etc etc.
So a 200nm 'straight' off airways route is definately not something I claim to have much experience in.
BUT, you have to start somewhere I guess.Having read that link I posted there seems to be no need to flightplan at all on such a flight and if I choose to go IFR in uncontrolled airspace and off airways, there appears to be no issue beside pilot qualifications.
It's been too long since I did any GA in the UK but where better to start than straight into the deep-end.
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Correct - off airways no FP, turn up and go.
Work your route and plan on the hop, it is all part of the fun. You might not get a clerance through Solent so have a plan to go around the edge.
Mind you the work load can be real high in solid IMC off airways, plenty to think about and no time to get lost.
Work your route and plan on the hop, it is all part of the fun. You might not get a clerance through Solent so have a plan to go around the edge.
Mind you the work load can be real high in solid IMC off airways, plenty to think about and no time to get lost.
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I am very puzzled
Where did you do your IR training if most of the training was in Class A airspace very unusual? By the way you ask the questions and as you also appear to be MEIR rated your questions are so basic! If you do fly be careful there is a lot of controlled airspace between you and LOS plan carefully.
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In the UK we have "IFR" and we have "IFR".
The first one is on the IMC Rating and basically it is a "VFR" flight, with holes drilled in clouds when convenient. No CAS privileges over a VFR flight - still have to get a clearance for every one.
The second one is on a full IR and it is as per international IFR procedures. Here in the UK, mostly Class A.
Sure one could fly to LOS fully IFR but since the place has no IAP then what would happen is that when you get dropped out of CAS (dropped out by London Control) you continue a DIY descent and land VFR.
I don't think I have ever flown fully-IFR to any place down there but it may well be that London Control will hand you over to either Bournemouth or Southampton - both of these are CAS (Class D) which is continuously connected to London Control's Class A. So, I can imagine, one could get a "radar letdown" by B. or S. all the way down to their MVA which is probably about 2000ft.
As regards valid IFR routings, that's a whole big subject. Nowadays there is this tool which works really well for most routes.
I rarely fly fully IFR around the UK because just drilling a hole in IMC in Class G is so much simpler. Not so in the winter though; one wants to climb up to VMC on top, and that usually needs an IR.
The first one is on the IMC Rating and basically it is a "VFR" flight, with holes drilled in clouds when convenient. No CAS privileges over a VFR flight - still have to get a clearance for every one.
The second one is on a full IR and it is as per international IFR procedures. Here in the UK, mostly Class A.
Sure one could fly to LOS fully IFR but since the place has no IAP then what would happen is that when you get dropped out of CAS (dropped out by London Control) you continue a DIY descent and land VFR.
I don't think I have ever flown fully-IFR to any place down there but it may well be that London Control will hand you over to either Bournemouth or Southampton - both of these are CAS (Class D) which is continuously connected to London Control's Class A. So, I can imagine, one could get a "radar letdown" by B. or S. all the way down to their MVA which is probably about 2000ft.
As regards valid IFR routings, that's a whole big subject. Nowadays there is this tool which works really well for most routes.
I rarely fly fully IFR around the UK because just drilling a hole in IMC in Class G is so much simpler. Not so in the winter though; one wants to climb up to VMC on top, and that usually needs an IR.
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Apreciate the input everyone. There's no doubt I need to hit the books and brush up on things, just gotta find time to do it.
I've not flown properly in the UK for over 2 years now, aside from the odd GH session recently.
I'd hope for VMC all the way for simplicities sake but with our weather things are likely to go differently.
I've not flown properly in the UK for over 2 years now, aside from the odd GH session recently.
I'd hope for VMC all the way for simplicities sake but with our weather things are likely to go differently.
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After brushing the dust off some IFR low-level charts and having a look at the SRD's i apologise for seemingly making a mountain out of a molehill. Embarrassed is not the word for it.
Cheers for all the PM's and posts, definately helped with the unfamiliar territory.
Embarrassed is not the word for it. Cheers for all the PM's and posts, definately helped with the unfamiliar territory.
