Building hours for free. With PPL getting other people paying for my aircraft rental
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Building hours for free. With PPL getting other people paying for my aircraft rental
I’m still on the process of getting my PPL and I was wondering if was actually possible a system I figured out to build hours at zero cost, or very cheap anyway.
The idea is to advertise a service of sightseeing by airplane at very cheap price.
Example:
- The rental price of a Cessna 172 (four seats) is 120£ per hour.
- I’ll advertise the sightseeing tour for 40£ per head per hour.
- Once I get three strangers sitting with me on the Cessna 172, my flying time is free!
- I shouldn’t be breaking any rule because I’m not making a penny from it.
- To avoid any misunderstanding I won’t touch any money, I’ll just get the other guys paying for the aircraft straightaway at the airport.
I had this idea because I’m already familiar with advertising and other types of business.
What do you think guys? It’s a bit ambitious but… would it be within the rules?
The idea is to advertise a service of sightseeing by airplane at very cheap price.
Example:
- The rental price of a Cessna 172 (four seats) is 120£ per hour.
- I’ll advertise the sightseeing tour for 40£ per head per hour.
- Once I get three strangers sitting with me on the Cessna 172, my flying time is free!
- I shouldn’t be breaking any rule because I’m not making a penny from it.
- To avoid any misunderstanding I won’t touch any money, I’ll just get the other guys paying for the aircraft straightaway at the airport.
I had this idea because I’m already familiar with advertising and other types of business.
What do you think guys? It’s a bit ambitious but… would it be within the rules?
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Completely illegal.
1. You're advertising your flight.
2. You are not paying your fair share of the costs.
3. If the aircraft operator found out you wouldn't be using them again.
Read http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf
Page 134; Public transport and aerial work – exceptions – cost sharing.
1. You're advertising your flight.
2. You are not paying your fair share of the costs.
3. If the aircraft operator found out you wouldn't be using them again.
Read http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP393.pdf
Page 134; Public transport and aerial work – exceptions – cost sharing.
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Claudio, ask yourself .... is anyone else doing this? No? Why not?
BHenderson is right - it's illegal, that's why.
Cheers
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BHenderson is right - it's illegal, that's why.
Cheers
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I’m still on the process of getting my PPL and I was wondering if was actually possible a system I figured out to build hours at zero cost, or very cheap anyway.
The idea is to advertise a service of sightseeing by airplane at very cheap price.
Example:
- The rental price of a Cessna 172 (four seats) is 120£ per hour.
- I’ll advertise the sightseeing tour for 40£ per head per hour.
- Once I get three strangers sitting with me on the Cessna 172, my flying time is free!
- I shouldn’t be breaking any rule because I’m not making a penny from it.
- To avoid any misunderstanding I won’t touch any money, I’ll just get the other guys paying for the aircraft straightaway at the airport.
I had this idea because I’m already familiar with advertising and other types of business.
What do you think guys? It’s a bit ambitious but… would it be within the rules?
The idea is to advertise a service of sightseeing by airplane at very cheap price.
Example:
- The rental price of a Cessna 172 (four seats) is 120£ per hour.
- I’ll advertise the sightseeing tour for 40£ per head per hour.
- Once I get three strangers sitting with me on the Cessna 172, my flying time is free!
- I shouldn’t be breaking any rule because I’m not making a penny from it.
- To avoid any misunderstanding I won’t touch any money, I’ll just get the other guys paying for the aircraft straightaway at the airport.
I had this idea because I’m already familiar with advertising and other types of business.
What do you think guys? It’s a bit ambitious but… would it be within the rules?
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What do you think guys? It’s a bit ambitious but… would it be within the rules?
You build hours to CPL level and then cry about how there is no charter work available. Why? Because a bunch of hour-building PPLs are taking your customers at an unbelievable rate and you don't stand a chance of getting any work ever!
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So if I take a nice young lady flying as a passenger and she then sleeps with me because she thinks pilots are wonderful and she had a great flight does that count as renumeration for the flight?!
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With the lack of work around at the moment I can see a number of flying club owners injured in the rush to turn this guy into the CAA.
Added to this the CAA might be forced to take this one to court due as this is a case that even they could not fail to win!
Added to this the CAA might be forced to take this one to court due as this is a case that even they could not fail to win!
- I’ll advertise the sightseeing tour for 40£ per head per hour.
14.—(1) No person may hold anyone out ... as being one who may offer flights in an
aircraft registered in the United Kingdom for the purpose of public transport or commercial air
transport unless the person being held out holds [an AOC].
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So if I take a nice young lady flying as a passenger and she then sleeps with me because she thinks pilots are wonderful and she had a great flight does that count as renumeration for the flight?!
However, one could argue that if you agreed to do the flight in return for her favours, it would be illegal. Believe it or not.
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I shouldn’t be breaking any rule because I’m not making a penny from it.
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This post is a wind-up, right? Surely everyone with a licence must know that this is comletely, unambiguously, balck and white, clear cut, no doubt illegal.
And to pre-empt the question that I feel is coming next: No, if you and your mate are hours building together you can't simultaneously both log PIC time.
And to pre-empt the question that I feel is coming next: No, if you and your mate are hours building together you can't simultaneously both log PIC time.
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Can you let me know where you are hireing from? I've never seen a 5 seater 172 before, or are you not taking an instructor on this little scheme with you? ( you say you haven't got a licence yet?)
Still look on the upside, if you haven't got it yet ,the CAA can't take it away.
Still look on the upside, if you haven't got it yet ,the CAA can't take it away.
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Great wind up to start my day, thanks Claudio!
Oh, and
.... Thats why the civil penaties for breaking certain air regulations without a license are sometimes much worse than the loss of the license would have been
I'm on to meaningful business now....
Oh, and
Still look on the upside, if you haven't got it yet ,the CAA can't take it away
I'm on to meaningful business now....
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Oh give them a break....they are only starting out.
Obviously hasn't done airlaw yet, but no doubt will realise how silly the question was when they have
We all asked silly questions when we started out
Obviously hasn't done airlaw yet, but no doubt will realise how silly the question was when they have
We all asked silly questions when we started out
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Great fun picking on the chap, but actually there are a number of 'corporate' operations whcih are actually not that far from the initial suggestion.
But of course they are put together by sophisicated types who know all the wrinkles.
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But of course they are put together by sophisicated types who know all the wrinkles.
Welcome to Pprune Claudio, the home of robust criticism! Situated somewhat to the right of Ghengis Khan.