Building hours for free. With PPL getting other people paying for my aircraft rental
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Originally Posted by Claudio1891
If this stranger will save me some thousand of pounds I'll definitely put it on consideration.
Wouldn't you?
Wouldn't you?
There's no such thing as a free lunch, and two-thousand feet up in the air is probably not the best time to find out that this is your stranger's first flight and that he/she has just discovered his/her absolute terror of flying.
I'm not suggesting never taking pax, but probably spend some time on the ground with the chap/chappesse in question first, to establish whether or not you trust them in the cockpit with you.
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You ain't going to get many females in this business, Englishal 
In fact there is a significant chance of a bloke turning up who is too big to fit in your plane
It would have to be a helluva long flight to save you that much money.
"We" all used to pick up hitchhikers back in the 1970s but you didn't stop for those who looked dodgy.
In fact there is a significant chance of a bloke turning up who is too big to fit in your plane
If this stranger will save me some thousand of pounds I'll definitely put it on consideration.
"We" all used to pick up hitchhikers back in the 1970s but you didn't stop for those who looked dodgy.
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The only hitch hikers I ever picked up in the 90's were two girls who looked a bit bedragged in the rain. When they got in the car I found out they were Swedish foreign students, and it had all the makings of a fantasy come true 
Except it wasn't, I dropped them off and that was that....
Except it wasn't, I dropped them off and that was that....
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There is a website called "Pilot Share The Ride" on which people wanting to go from A to B can advertise as pax, and pilots going from A to B can advertise as pilots. Now if a pilot says "I'm going to be flying from LAX to Tucson on tuesday at 10am" and a PAX then contacts him and says "Great can I come, I'll pay my share" then it is legit. Likewise if a pax advertises and says "I want to go from LA to Tucson on Tuesday" and a pilot is already intending to make the trip then again it is legit...No one has been holding out. I guess this could be extended worldwide and into Europe...
Administrative Law Judges of the NTSB use a common-purpose test that is not in FAR 61.113. The Judges seek evidence the pilot and the passengers were engaged in a trip for a "common purpose" [Administrator v. Carter, Order EA-3730, Docket SE12735, NTSB Decisions (1992)]. Under the "common purpose" test, if the pilot and passenger(s) are embarked on a flight for the same reasons, then they can share expenses under 61.113 [NOTE - But not in the UK without DfT permission].
If the passengers want to go from point A, to point B, and the pilot is simply the driver or has other interests for making the flight, there is no common purpose. If he takes any compensation or economic benefit the pilot is, in effect, running a charter operation and should comply with FAR 119 &135.
If the passengers want to go from point A, to point B, and the pilot is simply the driver or has other interests for making the flight, there is no common purpose. If he takes any compensation or economic benefit the pilot is, in effect, running a charter operation and should comply with FAR 119 &135.
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I guess the common purpose could be "to visit tucson" or "to go flying" in my example. But I agree, there are always going to be times when people bend the rules. Sometimes it is just nice to have some company when flying....
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If this stranger will save me some thousand of pounds I'll definitely put it on consideration.
Wouldn't you?
Wouldn't you?
He has a mental illness that is quite nasty when he gets nervous. He gets violent and mad, very, very unstable. He has been sectioned but care in the community and drugs and they let him have his own flat. You would never know about the illness if you met the guy in the street. (He even holds down a part time job)
Anyhow, he wants to take up flying again and is willing to pay this time.. Last time he had God teaching him to fly for free, without an aeroplane......
He stopped in the mid-nineties, he won't tell us why but he now wants another go at it and says God will not teach him again......
This just came out whilst casually chatting about Ryanair of all things. He just dropped that right into the middle of the conversation and carried on talking about Ryanair again as if nothing happened.
The world is full of Steve's like him. How on earth will you know if he or anyone who turns up in fact is not mad or dangerous.
I am not taking the pee out of Steve here or anyone with a mental illness in fact. I am just highlighting one of the reasons why no-one else has come up with your bright idea before.
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I knew Steve,he taught me to fly for nothing,I'd give his contact details but they don't seem to work anymore.
My slant on the whole job,is go down to your local flying school and ask their avdvice on this free flying job.
Lister.
Good luck
My slant on the whole job,is go down to your local flying school and ask their avdvice on this free flying job.
Lister.
Good luck
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So if I take a nice young lady flying as a passenger and she then sleeps with me because she thinks pilots are wonderful and she had a great flight does that count as renumeration for the flight?!
Just don't tell Mrs HF.
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Given my input to this thread the following maybe either fate, destiny or just pure luck...
I have just discovered I am flying one half of a Hen party on a sight seeing tour and onto the party this weekend!!!
Now some questions:
1. Should I wear the full Captain outfit?
2. Should I take a chaparone onthe flight?
3. Do I tell them about all of my ratings?
4. Is sex an acceptable form of tipping?!
Comments?
HTC
I have just discovered I am flying one half of a Hen party on a sight seeing tour and onto the party this weekend!!!
Now some questions:
1. Should I wear the full Captain outfit?
2. Should I take a chaparone onthe flight?
3. Do I tell them about all of my ratings?
4. Is sex an acceptable form of tipping?!
Comments?
HTC
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1) If they're easily impressed
2) Definitely not - the extra fuel's more useful for night stops
3) Yes
4) See above
As an aside, the OP may face other difficulties as well as the purely legal. If I became aware that someone was using one of my aircraft to effectively sell pleasure flights like this then I would ensure that they would not be welcome at any school on the airfield - businesses can still refuse to serve customers.
2) Definitely not - the extra fuel's more useful for night stops
3) Yes
4) See above
As an aside, the OP may face other difficulties as well as the purely legal. If I became aware that someone was using one of my aircraft to effectively sell pleasure flights like this then I would ensure that they would not be welcome at any school on the airfield - businesses can still refuse to serve customers.
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And if I was the OP's fare-paying passenger, I'd sure as hell want my money back if I found out he was only a 50 hour PPL.
Cheers
Whirls
Cheers
Whirls
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Depends on how fit she is 
12th February 2010 16:15
12th February 2010 16:15
Had to turn a stunner down for a flight because I was concerned that my laughably boyish nervousness around beauty's could have been transferred into the cockpit!
