Is a CRI a "qualified Flying Instructor" ?
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I have just received an email from our insurers clearly stating the CRI is regarded as a qualified instructor by the underwriters.
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From: Inside CAS
"...yes, the CRI fits the QFI definition and is fine providing undertaking advanced tuition or continuation training of named permitted pilots specified on your schedule of insurance."
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From: Inside CAS
I have been in contact with the following FTO's about CRI courses:
Wycomble Air Centre
West London Aero Club
On Track Aviation
Andrewsfield Aviation
Most were very professional in manner and detail of response, with one exception which still has not got back to me (true to previous form I might add!). If you PM me I can provide more info.
Prices vary around £1250. Landing fees and test a/c hire and examiner charges are not typically included. Be careful to ascertain if you need to pay "all up front" especially in current economic climate.
Wycomble Air Centre
West London Aero Club
On Track Aviation
Andrewsfield Aviation
Most were very professional in manner and detail of response, with one exception which still has not got back to me (true to previous form I might add!). If you PM me I can provide more info.
Prices vary around £1250. Landing fees and test a/c hire and examiner charges are not typically included. Be careful to ascertain if you need to pay "all up front" especially in current economic climate.
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From: Surrey, England
Underwriters
Hi englishal,
I don't know whether XX's underwriters are also your underwriters, if so then that's a good start. If not, then the statement from XX's underwriters is of no value TO YOU.
I still feel that you need to have a nice letter on headed notepaper on YOUR file from YOUR insurer confirming the matter in question.
Then, and only then, will you be safe in assuming a CRI will be adequate for the purpose in question.
Broomstick.
I don't know whether XX's underwriters are also your underwriters, if so then that's a good start. If not, then the statement from XX's underwriters is of no value TO YOU.
I still feel that you need to have a nice letter on headed notepaper on YOUR file from YOUR insurer confirming the matter in question.
Then, and only then, will you be safe in assuming a CRI will be adequate for the purpose in question.
Broomstick.
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Good news!...
The clause you refer to is to provide automatic cover under the policy should a “Qualified Flying Instructor, Assistant Flying Instructor and any Airworthiness approved pilot” fly the aircraft for the purposes of check flights and continuation training to any members of the group and for a suitably qualified pilot to fly the aircraft after the annual has been concluded.
The CAA certified Class Rating Instructor is a permitted pilot for the uses described above.
The CAA certified Class Rating Instructor is a permitted pilot for the uses described above.
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From: Norfolk
The detail is in the small print:
This does not mean that if you lend your pride and joy to your instructor so that he can teach a non-group member that he is covered.
Similarly if you ask your friendly "instructor" to fly the aircraft whilst you snap pix of your house - he is not covered
fly the aircraft for the purposes of check flights and continuation training to any members of the group and for a suitably qualified pilot to fly the aircraft after the annual has been concluded
This does not mean that if you lend your pride and joy to your instructor so that he can teach a non-group member that he is covered.
Similarly if you ask your friendly "instructor" to fly the aircraft whilst you snap pix of your house - he is not covered
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From: EuroGA.org
The thing is that there is a big difference, in terms of potential instructor experience as perceived by the insurer, between a plane being insured for the owner getting "instruction" in it (which is AFAIK virtually universal), and it being insured for being flown by any "instructor" (implicitly as PIC/solo).
That's why I would check with the insurer.
That's why I would check with the insurer.
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I have been in contact with the following FTO's about CRI courses:
Wycomble Air Centre
West London Aero Club
On Track Aviation
Andrewsfield Aviation
Most were very professional in manner and detail of response, with one exception which still has not got back to me (true to previous form I might add!). If you PM me I can provide more info.
Prices vary around £1250. Landing fees and test a/c hire and examiner charges are not typically included. Be careful to ascertain if you need to pay "all up front" especially in current economic climate.
Wycomble Air Centre
West London Aero Club
On Track Aviation
Andrewsfield Aviation
Most were very professional in manner and detail of response, with one exception which still has not got back to me (true to previous form I might add!). If you PM me I can provide more info.
Prices vary around £1250. Landing fees and test a/c hire and examiner charges are not typically included. Be careful to ascertain if you need to pay "all up front" especially in current economic climate.
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From: UK
CRI
Out of interest, I have just completed a CRI course at a large commercial training organisation on the south coast.
I was fortunate to complete my course with another trainee (he was doing his full FI rating) which added some interesting additional elements, like assisting with mutual flying training etc. This greatly exceeded the number of flying hours before my flight test, even though I could not log any of it.
While it’s no were near as tough as for the full FI, it certainly is more challenging and deeper than I expected. A good CFI passionate about teaching ‘Instructional’ techniques is essential and the one I trained with was superb.
If you want any more details, please feel free to PM me.
I was fortunate to complete my course with another trainee (he was doing his full FI rating) which added some interesting additional elements, like assisting with mutual flying training etc. This greatly exceeded the number of flying hours before my flight test, even though I could not log any of it.
While it’s no were near as tough as for the full FI, it certainly is more challenging and deeper than I expected. A good CFI passionate about teaching ‘Instructional’ techniques is essential and the one I trained with was superb.
If you want any more details, please feel free to PM me.
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Approved Aeroplanes
Hi englishal,
I think it has to be a "CAA Approved" aeroplane. Probably on the books of the training organisation.
My Rans was never going to be usable for the task, but my fellow CRI candidate's Mooney was nearer the mark. In the end we both used the Approved 140 Cherokee.
Safe Flying,
Richard W.
I think it has to be a "CAA Approved" aeroplane. Probably on the books of the training organisation.
My Rans was never going to be usable for the task, but my fellow CRI candidate's Mooney was nearer the mark. In the end we both used the Approved 140 Cherokee.
Safe Flying,
Richard W.
