61.75 without going to US
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61.75 without going to US
Is it possible to obtain the 61.75 certificate in Europe? I am a UK ppl (A) holder and need to obtain this, but I want to avoid the expense of going to the US for it.
...was my question. Yes it is, is the answer
as I have a temporary one now and will have the official doc in 120 days. This applies to new apps and english profciency endorsements. See the rest of this thread, but I contacted Adam House, met him at East Midlans airport. I gave him the forms, ID eveidence, licence and medicals and £375 
(the FAA fee) and came away with it in 10 minutes. There were a number of people doing the same thing and he does this regularly. Saved me the hassle of going to NY!
...was my question. Yes it is, is the answer
as I have a temporary one now and will have the official doc in 120 days. This applies to new apps and english profciency endorsements. See the rest of this thread, but I contacted Adam House, met him at East Midlans airport. I gave him the forms, ID eveidence, licence and medicals and £375 (the FAA fee) and came away with it in 10 minutes. There were a number of people doing the same thing and he does this regularly. Saved me the hassle of going to NY!
Last edited by markfly; 26th July 2009 at 14:00. Reason: update worth mentioning at the start
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You need tosend the required forms to the CAA and the FAA. Once the FAA reply you can contct Tom Hughston or Adam House. Adam can be contacted via the FAA office at LHR as he is a FAA employee. Tom is out of the game at the moment and is not working.
Last edited by AC-DC; 4th July 2009 at 14:58.
. The cheque that I wrote was payable to the FAA, also, during our chat he said so.
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I have just done all this without leaving UK and I am waiting to do my BFR.
It is possible to get the 'piggy back' FAA PPL without leaving the UK, issued on the basis of the validity and ratings of you JAA PPL.
I must say that with the help of PPrune etc I have found the whole process straightforward and I now have the FAA temp airman certficate and am looking for a convenient time to do the flight review.
It does seem to make sense to do this in the UK as the meeting to validate your licence takes 15 minutes and unless you were planning to do some flying straight after BFR in US it seems reasonable to save yourself the trip.
Once you have been through the steps outlined above the key is to make an appt to see Adam House. He is the FAA man in the UK and can do what you would otherwise do in New York. In fact it was the New York FSDO that suggested I see him rather than travel to US when I was making my appointment with them on the phone.
Steps to complete
Form to CAA to validate your JAA PPL for FAA
Check that FAA have received your form - you will get a letter from them you need to keep original
Check that your nominated FSDO has received letter (New York if you dont want to leave UK)
Check that they have it on file in New York office (a few phone calls)
Make appt to see Adam House (you need to be time and geographically flexible in UK)
Complete paper work AH (he will send a check list to you) and pay fee.
Leave with temp airman certificate.
Arrange BFR and validate your FAA PPL
All achievable without leaving UK.
It is possible to get the 'piggy back' FAA PPL without leaving the UK, issued on the basis of the validity and ratings of you JAA PPL.
I must say that with the help of PPrune etc I have found the whole process straightforward and I now have the FAA temp airman certficate and am looking for a convenient time to do the flight review.
It does seem to make sense to do this in the UK as the meeting to validate your licence takes 15 minutes and unless you were planning to do some flying straight after BFR in US it seems reasonable to save yourself the trip.
Once you have been through the steps outlined above the key is to make an appt to see Adam House. He is the FAA man in the UK and can do what you would otherwise do in New York. In fact it was the New York FSDO that suggested I see him rather than travel to US when I was making my appointment with them on the phone.
Steps to complete
Form to CAA to validate your JAA PPL for FAA
Check that FAA have received your form - you will get a letter from them you need to keep original
Check that your nominated FSDO has received letter (New York if you dont want to leave UK)
Check that they have it on file in New York office (a few phone calls)
Make appt to see Adam House (you need to be time and geographically flexible in UK)
Complete paper work AH (he will send a check list to you) and pay fee.
Leave with temp airman certificate.
Arrange BFR and validate your FAA PPL
All achievable without leaving UK.
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I have just has my 61.75 renewed (paper cert replaced with plastic cert and English proficiency added) along the lines of echobeach except I did not use Adam House but a US DPE who flew over from Florida (but taking her info from NY Int FSDO) for ten days in early May and based herself at Denham.
Although I didn't need a BFR (current from Instrument IPC last year) she did carry out a number of flight tests as well as issue initial and renewal 61.75s.
I haven't yet received my plastic cert, but it is recorded as having been issued on FAA website, so I guess it's in the post........
And a bloody sight cheaper than the ridiculous palaver of travelling to USA just to demonstrate the use of my mother tongue.........
Cusco
Although I didn't need a BFR (current from Instrument IPC last year) she did carry out a number of flight tests as well as issue initial and renewal 61.75s.
I haven't yet received my plastic cert, but it is recorded as having been issued on FAA website, so I guess it's in the post........
And a bloody sight cheaper than the ridiculous palaver of travelling to USA just to demonstrate the use of my mother tongue.........
Cusco
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Thanks
This is all very useful. I have already had my licence verified by the CAA to the FAA in New York and was all set to go to NY next Friday. I found a refrence to Adams mobile number 07764470019 and I have left a message for him to call me. I wil update this with how I get on as I am sure many people mistakenly believe they have to go to the US too.
This is all very useful. I have already had my licence verified by the CAA to the FAA in New York and was all set to go to NY next Friday. I found a refrence to Adams mobile number 07764470019 and I have left a message for him to call me. I wil update this with how I get on as I am sure many people mistakenly believe they have to go to the US too.
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And you paid that fee to the FAA for an exercise that is free of charge when done in FSDO? I am just curious to who you were actually paying for this. If he is an FAA employee and doing it in this capacity then I am wondering why he is taking payment for this service. If he is freelance then he sets his price for the market.
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I was frankly quite happy to shell out a fistful of fresh greenbacks for the convenience on not having to travel to USA.
Some of the loot was, I understand, to cover costs of the office set up of the outfit at Denham: dunno who the rest went to- I guess the DPE.
Right now I have no plans/wish to travel to USA for any reason, least of all to waste my time solely to demonstrate that I can speak English.
So : job well done: I understand from others that these DPE visits may become a regular feature but I have no further details of this.
Cusco
Some of the loot was, I understand, to cover costs of the office set up of the outfit at Denham: dunno who the rest went to- I guess the DPE.
Right now I have no plans/wish to travel to USA for any reason, least of all to waste my time solely to demonstrate that I can speak English.
So : job well done: I understand from others that these DPE visits may become a regular feature but I have no further details of this.
Cusco
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More definitive info from FAA here.
These two documents give you chapter and verse
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...710_3E-C01.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...710_3E-C21.pdf
These two documents give you chapter and verse
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...710_3E-C01.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...710_3E-C21.pdf
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And you find in CFR 187 the FAA has a formula to figure the cost of an inspector:
Appendix A to this part prescribes the methodology for computation of fees for certification services performed outside the United States.
d) In order to recover overhead costs attributable to the budget, all costs other than direct inspector transportation and subsistence, overtime, and Sunday/holiday costs, are assigned to the number of inspector positions. An hourly cost per inspector is developed by dividing the annual Flight Standards Operations Budget, excluding the items enumerated above, by the number of aviation safety inspections (OMB position series 1825) on board at the beginning of the fiscal year, to determine the annual cost of an aviation safety inspector. This annual cost of an aviation safety inspector is divided by 2,087 hours, which is the annual paid hours of a U.S. Federal Government employee. This result in the hourly government paid cost of an aviation safety inspector.
(e) To ensure that the hourly inspector cost represents a billing rate that ensures full recovery of costs, the hourly cost per inspector must be multiplied by an indirect work factor to determine the hourly inspector billing rate. This is necessary for the following reasons:
(1) Inspectors spend a significant amount of time in indirect work to support their inspection activities, much of which cannot be allocated to any one client.
(2) Not all 2,087 annual paid hours are available as work hours because training, providing technical assistance, leave, and other indirect work activities reduce the work time that may be directly billed. Consequently, the hourly cost per inspector must be adjusted upwards by an indirect work factor. The calculation of an indirect work factor is discussed in paragraph (f) of this appendix.
(f)(1) The indirect work factor is determined using the following formula:
where:
a=indirect work rate, and b=leave usage (total leave hours divided by total hours available for work.
Appendix A to this part prescribes the methodology for computation of fees for certification services performed outside the United States.
d) In order to recover overhead costs attributable to the budget, all costs other than direct inspector transportation and subsistence, overtime, and Sunday/holiday costs, are assigned to the number of inspector positions. An hourly cost per inspector is developed by dividing the annual Flight Standards Operations Budget, excluding the items enumerated above, by the number of aviation safety inspections (OMB position series 1825) on board at the beginning of the fiscal year, to determine the annual cost of an aviation safety inspector. This annual cost of an aviation safety inspector is divided by 2,087 hours, which is the annual paid hours of a U.S. Federal Government employee. This result in the hourly government paid cost of an aviation safety inspector.
(e) To ensure that the hourly inspector cost represents a billing rate that ensures full recovery of costs, the hourly cost per inspector must be multiplied by an indirect work factor to determine the hourly inspector billing rate. This is necessary for the following reasons:
(1) Inspectors spend a significant amount of time in indirect work to support their inspection activities, much of which cannot be allocated to any one client.
(2) Not all 2,087 annual paid hours are available as work hours because training, providing technical assistance, leave, and other indirect work activities reduce the work time that may be directly billed. Consequently, the hourly cost per inspector must be adjusted upwards by an indirect work factor. The calculation of an indirect work factor is discussed in paragraph (f) of this appendix.
(f)(1) The indirect work factor is determined using the following formula:
where:
a=indirect work rate, and b=leave usage (total leave hours divided by total hours available for work.
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Been reading the AOPA website. (which Mike Cross sent above)
It talks about "Tom Hughston". Did he get got some pilot into trouble? The story behind it was a email sent by him to aa lot of people, (some on here!) and now everywhere on internet, too copied to the British CAA. "The person in question knows that his instrument rating was issued on false pretenses."
It talks about "Tom Hughston". Did he get got some pilot into trouble? The story behind it was a email sent by him to aa lot of people, (some on here!) and now everywhere on internet, too copied to the British CAA. "The person in question knows that his instrument rating was issued on false pretenses."