Crosswind sillyness
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From: In the boot of my car!
Perhaps we should all listen to animals a bit more, At least they don't kick the !!!! out of each other for no reason.
But they do challenge each other in the pack all the time for the pack pecking order and isnt that what half the forum arguements are about?
Pace
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From: Dark side of the Moon
It does us all good to watch birds flying occasionally, then we may discover the following:
- A bird will never takeoff downwind.
- A bird will not take off crosswind unless there is no other option.
- A bird will never land downwind, by choice.
As a species, they have been at it a while.
- A bird will never takeoff downwind.
- A bird will not take off crosswind unless there is no other option.
- A bird will never land downwind, by choice.
As a species, they have been at it a while.
The birds work with the prevailing elements, they don't vainly try to batter them into submission.
Nature 1, Pilot 0.
FBW
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From: Denmark
[QUOTE]Remaining with the bird analogy, almost all birds stop then land and only a few go flying by running with all their energy before leaving the ground./QUOTE]
Yup, they master derated takeoffs ?
Yup, they master derated takeoffs ?
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From: Toronto
Would you even taxi in 25+ kt winds?
Many years ago while working on my IFR, I scrubbed a C-172 flight in 25+ kt winds. In fact the wind was directly down the runway, but my primary concern was the long taxi downwind.
Perhaps the C-185 pilot on amphib floats had the same concern, but a direct x-wind takeoff proved a poor solution.
Perhaps the C-185 pilot on amphib floats had the same concern, but a direct x-wind takeoff proved a poor solution.
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From: Scotland
Remaining with the bird analogy, almost all birds stop then land and only a few go flying by running with all their energy before leaving the ground.
Birds have been evolving as flying machines longer than us, give us time!
Yes animals have a pecking order but it is logical, the genuinely stronger wins, not the most devious twisted expense sheet fiddler.
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From: Kelowna Wine Country
It has been a bad week generally for gusty wind effects. A couple of days ago one of our group had his seaplane turtle after a decent landing when it was hit by a gust. (Seaplane, not float plane too!) Yesterday a Motor Glider was blown into power lines attempting to land in BC.
Gusty winds are not trustworthy. For me flying in them is too high a risk activity.
Gusty winds are not trustworthy. For me flying in them is too high a risk activity.
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From: In the boot of my car!
and birds don't fly at night ..."
Not so
was on approach into Gloucester on a jet black night to be met by a large and noisy bang on the screen of the twin I was flying.On landing the screen was splattered with blood and gore. I presume it had to be some sort of owl.
Pace
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From: US
The Albatross flies for months at a time, without a break. Judging from that, it's flying + IF, endurance and navigation skills are not too bad. Not to mention fantastic energy efficiency!!
You may recall on "animal planet", they attached miniature cameras to a falcon, hawk and swallow, among others. No greater flying skills have I ever come close to seeing. It makes the red bull air racing look like a picnic and the pilots, boys in short pants.
You may recall on "animal planet", they attached miniature cameras to a falcon, hawk and swallow, among others. No greater flying skills have I ever come close to seeing. It makes the red bull air racing look like a picnic and the pilots, boys in short pants.
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From: Cambridge, England, EU
This is probably a UK anomaly but I have had to take the Crosswind runway when I would rather take the into wind runway because I am on an instructional flight and the into wind runway isn't licensed.
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From: Scotland
This is probably a UK anomaly but I have had to take the Crosswind runway when I would rather take the into wind runway because I am on an instructional flight and the into wind runway isn't licensed.
"Student pilot crashes because regulations force him to land crosswind."
Talk about "Crosswind sillyness"
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From: England
"Well, you shouldn't take off unless you know where there's a runway you can safely and legally land on"
Perfectly legal as the crosswind wind was within the aircrafts limits. Just goes against everything that we teach students about always landing into wind.
Perfectly legal as the crosswind wind was within the aircrafts limits. Just goes against everything that we teach students about always landing into wind.
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From: Scotland
I have had two not funny crosswind experiences in my meagre 150hrs. One, Runway 06 grass, wind 130/18 a/c 610kg Emeraude. I opted to cheat & approached at about 090 deg as the area to the south was recently cut but not collected hay. Stopped while still on the runway.
The alternative was a 40 mile diversion/lift home/car retrieval etc.
Two, landed in 18G25 straight down the runway, taxiied onto grass, turned downwind to park, switched off & held stick back!! Stuck prop blade into grass 4" whilst feeling a prat. No damage, very lucky, still feel stupid, won't do that again!
The alternative was a 40 mile diversion/lift home/car retrieval etc.
Two, landed in 18G25 straight down the runway, taxiied onto grass, turned downwind to park, switched off & held stick back!! Stuck prop blade into grass 4" whilst feeling a prat. No damage, very lucky, still feel stupid, won't do that again!
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From: U.K.
Was that in KL crash one? A 12kt x-wind limit with an FI onboard in a C152 from an FTO? What doofus wrote that manual?
As for DAR's genius pilot, sounds like he was trying to avoid a "long" taxi instead of using an ounce of commonsense and taking off into wind on tarmac.
As for DAR's genius pilot, sounds like he was trying to avoid a "long" taxi instead of using an ounce of commonsense and taking off into wind on tarmac.
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From: Scotland
Was that in KL crash one?
A 12kt x-wind limit with an FI onboard in a C152 from an FTO? What doofus wrote that manual?
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