Dead Stick Takeoff
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That's not what flying is all about.
There sure are some miserable old gits in aviation. He clearly has intimate knowledge of the surrounding terrain and knows his aircraft. I don't see why anyone should have a problem with this chap using the laws of physics to his advantage.
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Miserable old gits. What, as in old pilots? Well you know what they say about those don't you?
As others have said this stunt had no escape procedure if the take-off roll had gone wrong. The was nowhere to go but that rock. Gross stupidity.
As others have said this stunt had no escape procedure if the take-off roll had gone wrong. The was nowhere to go but that rock. Gross stupidity.
most take off rolls have a point where if it goes wrong the result is not going to be good. Almost anywhere between "rotate" and actually clearing the airfield fence is likely to be tricky. At least there was no reliance on the engine to keep supplying the motive force in this case. Gravity is pretty reliable, never been known to fail without warning, always gives 100%.
My only concern with this is the distance to the nearest civilisation, if he cocks up the landing and has to walk back..........
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My only concern with this is the distance to the nearest civilisation, if he cocks up the landing and has to walk back..........
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Having the engine off means less airflow over the elevators and reduced pitch authority. Being in a taildragger, rolling down 'rough as f---' earth, covered in rocks, massive divots and vegetation, the risk of nosing over seemed rather too large for comfort. Nose over on a 1:1 slope dropping off a mountainside and you'll have a really bad day.
Impressive, ballsy, eye opening, 'a bit of a laugh' etc...YES.
Airmanship, sound judgement, responsible, safe....NO.
Funny how there are always a few who accuse those who question this sort of flying as being miserable old fuddy-duddies. However, when you get into an aeroplane as pax, do you want your pilot to be some balls-out, adrenaline junkie, risk taking, barnstorming cowboy. No, thought not.
Impressive, ballsy, eye opening, 'a bit of a laugh' etc...YES.
Airmanship, sound judgement, responsible, safe....NO.
Funny how there are always a few who accuse those who question this sort of flying as being miserable old fuddy-duddies. However, when you get into an aeroplane as pax, do you want your pilot to be some balls-out, adrenaline junkie, risk taking, barnstorming cowboy. No, thought not.
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do you want your pilot to be some balls-out, adrenaline junkie, risk taking, barnstorming cowboy.
We need some colour in this grey old world of ours Pace
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I agree that this world needs a bit of colour, but I suspect the Red Bull pilots are some of the most precise, safety-concious guys out there. I get the feeling that the bloke in the video falls more into the flying circus category, but I could be wrong - maybe he is Bob Hoover!
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Miserable, miserable gits. Someone does something interesting and skillful and well thought out and all you can do is whinge that it's stupid and dangerous. If the only stuff we had to discuss on these forums was your flights in PA28s wearing Hi-Vis jackets then it would all be a little dull, wouldn't it?
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but I suspect the Red Bull pilots are some of the most precise, safety-concious guys out there.
You obviously missed the video of one of them beating up a control tower posted in these threads
I am sure this guys antics were also precise as he did some pretty precise stuff even to an engine out landing.
While not something I would do myself or even have the guts to do I must admit to secretely thinking " good on you ".
We are an overregulated finger pointing society and for me its a breath of fresh air to see someone buck the sytem now and again and IMO healthy too
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We are an overregulated finger pointing society and for me its a breath of fresh air to see someone buck the sytem now and again and IMO healthy too
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Of course, this is the states. I don't think he bucked the system. If something had gone wrong they might have gotten him on a reckless charge, but otherwise I don't think it is illegal. There are pilots who do things that are beyond my comfort level. As long as I'm not in the airplane with them, and they aren't over my house (or anybody's) it is not totally irresponsible. If his stunt had gone awry he would have hurt nobody but himself.
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And of course, the rescue services plus the investigation afterwards doesn't matter eh?
I do have to admit, though, that I'm not faultless when it comes to risk taking. I did slip a C172 with flaps once...
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I do have to admit, though, that I'm not faultless when it comes to risk taking. I did slip a C172 with flaps once...
, I have to admit doing the same Mind you, there is nothing in the POH to say you can't.
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What has the world come to - are our lives so comfortably dull that we have to point and decry anyone who takes a few risks?
We don't know how well thought out this was - it could range from suicidally stupid to really quite mundane, depending on the experience of said chappie, and his planning and forethought.
In any case, I'm sure that the tax dollars we pay (for example) into healthcare for the afflicted idiots who smoke themselves into an early grave are far more than those inflicted on us by the few who get up to this sort of thing - I reckon we get far more value for money out of the nutters than the smokers
On a related, I have heard legend of gliders doing touch'n'goes on a ridgetop field - dive in on the spoilers, touch, close spoilers, and float off the end into the ridge lift, climb out, rinse and repeat.
(P.S. You wouldn't catch me doing it mind you....)
We don't know how well thought out this was - it could range from suicidally stupid to really quite mundane, depending on the experience of said chappie, and his planning and forethought.
In any case, I'm sure that the tax dollars we pay (for example) into healthcare for the afflicted idiots who smoke themselves into an early grave are far more than those inflicted on us by the few who get up to this sort of thing - I reckon we get far more value for money out of the nutters than the smokers
On a related, I have heard legend of gliders doing touch'n'goes on a ridgetop field - dive in on the spoilers, touch, close spoilers, and float off the end into the ridge lift, climb out, rinse and repeat.
(P.S. You wouldn't catch me doing it mind you....)
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Reading the pro's and con's, I find myself sitting on the fence now. I can appreciate both sides of the discussion, well, most of them anyway.
On a related, I have heard legend of gliders doing touch'n'goes on a ridgetop field - dive in on the spoilers, touch, close spoilers, and float off the end into the ridge lift, climb out, rinse and repeat.
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Done before
If you look at the sand bar he landed on, you can see he has done it before there are tracks
If you look at the sand bar he landed on, you can see he has done it before there are tracks
-So-much for "skilled,sitationally-aware pilots "
IFMU also raises the obvious:-
If his stunt had gone awry he would have hurt nobody but himself.
Obviously a very experienced user of this machine and it's pretty self-evident that he's very carefully assessed any risk before attempting what at first appears to be a hairy stunt.......given the steepness of the slope, he'd have great difficulty NOT taking -off (unless the wheels ripped-off
. Have a look on you tube and there's a rigid-wing "hang-glider that takes off in the wind, from a virtually flat plateau. suppose that's reckless, dangerous etc. as well?
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To put it another way if it had been a glider pushed over the edge of the slope using the slope as a launch ramp no body would blink an eyelid.
A powered aircraft with a stopped prop looks dramatic but the principals are the same
Pace
A powered aircraft with a stopped prop looks dramatic but the principals are the same
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I want a go.
And if I get a go the nay-sayers can beat me with sticks as much as they like for when I'm in my dotage in my rocking chair I want to be able to say I did everything in life that I wanted to.
(actually, for reasons stated above I'll probably never make it to a rocking chair).
And if I get a go the nay-sayers can beat me with sticks as much as they like for when I'm in my dotage in my rocking chair I want to be able to say I did everything in life that I wanted to.
(actually, for reasons stated above I'll probably never make it to a rocking chair).