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rmac 5th Apr 2009 20:48

Dead Stick Takeoff
 
Check out this perfectly legal use of an LSA in the states, anyone up for a Ben Nevis fly in ?




Them thar hills 5th Apr 2009 20:56

4 Yorkshiremen.
 
Only if we can take off uphill deadstick in the snow......
Luxury. . . .

Hyperborean 5th Apr 2009 21:11

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

007helicopter 5th Apr 2009 21:50

wow, not sure if he is barking or a genius but very entertaining, his other clips are as well.

javelin 5th Apr 2009 22:25

Bet you could do that at Oxenhope on a windy day ;-)

UL Power 5th Apr 2009 22:41

Hope I can get my Escapade to half what he does in the highlander when I have finnished it.

Highlander is a USA bush version of the UK Escapade.

Mark
G-POZA

Cron 5th Apr 2009 22:47

I guess many on here have flown a Hang Glider (not a paraglider) - for those that have not that vid is totally representative of a HG take off but about 50% faster.

The wind noise is the same as is the 'off a cliff' sensation (in nil wind conditions).

The way the sight picture works out is the same but I suspect his glide ratio is somewhat less than a HG (13:1 ish on HG).

Regards

Cron

IFMU 6th Apr 2009 00:42

I first saw that video a few months ago. This guy is my new hero.

-- IFMU

Lightning6 6th Apr 2009 00:58

Mmmm...Can't make my mind up if that was clever or stupid....Good though.

J.A.F.O. 6th Apr 2009 01:54


not sure if he is barking or a genius
No need to decide, he's clearly both.

MartinCh 6th Apr 2009 01:54

Not the most responsible thing not to check 'take off path' beforehand.
I guess pushing it down was his way of 'safety improvement'. Let's hope no hikers around the bottom of the hill.

Cubs etc have reasonable glide ratio and low stall speeds, low wing loading, so why not? Paragliding pilots do so as a standard. So do hang gliders. Unless car winched or with engine harness or trike.

Flintstone 6th Apr 2009 03:52

Bloody stupid if you ask me.

As Hyperborean said, just because you [I]can[i/] doesn't mean you should. He was committed from a few seconds into the roll with no plan 'B'. If anything had slowed the roll he'd have had nowhere else to go with the only upside being that there was little chance of him taking anyone else with him if it all went wrong. Having spent several years as a bush pilot I've seen the results of people 'experimenting' and none of them were pretty.

The man's an idiot.

Maoraigh1 6th Apr 2009 20:49

If this had been a glider bungie launch, would anyone have commented?

IFMU 7th Apr 2009 01:25

I did mention he was my new hero. I also agree he's barking and a genius took, with a little idiot thrown in for good measure.

But, is it really as dangerous as it might seem, though it may be a little sporty for some (like my own) tastes? No plan B? What about an engine start?

If I was him, I would not have done a deadstick take off right away. Would have been a careful build up, taking off with partial power, taking off at idle, and seeing how much margin you have. This is if you can get over the fact that just landing on top of a mountain like that is nuts period. I'd never do it. I'm afraid of heights.

-- IFMU

gfunc 7th Apr 2009 13:05

A bit off-topic, but does anyone know why the phrase is "dead stick" rather than "dead lever" (or "dead plunger" on a Cessna)?

For some reason I always initially think of dead stick meaning the control stick (or yoke) is shot. Maybe sounds even more exciting and dangerous in the bar?

Cheers,

Gareth.

Uncle_Jay 7th Apr 2009 19:46

Done before
 
If you look at the sand bar he laneded on, you can see he has done it before there are tracks. Also, he could have started the engine if things went badly.

Dead stick probably refers to the dead feeling in the stick with no engine, no P-factor etc.

foxmoth 7th Apr 2009 19:58


Dead stick probably refers to the dead feeling in the stick with no engine,
I think you will find it actually refers to the piece of wood (though many now are made of metal) that normally wizzes round at the front!:hmm:

Pace 8th Apr 2009 00:26

He is purely tapping into potential energy much in the same way as a glider instead of using his engine.

Bob Hoover was well known for his displays switching off his engines in a commander twin and flying a loop engine out to a landing.

In the right hands not that dangerous

Pace

Flintstone 8th Apr 2009 02:42

A bungee launched glider is designed to do that.

This guy had nowhere to go if it had gone wrong on the roll. A soft patch would have slowed him with the potential to hit that farking great rock and I don't care how well he knows his aircraft he'd NOT have been able to start the engine in time.

Bloody stupid.

Lightning6 8th Apr 2009 02:56


Originally Posted by Flintstone (Post 4846486)
A bungee launched glider is designed to do that.

This guy had nowhere to go if it had gone wrong on the roll. A soft patch would have slowed him with the potential to hit that farking great rock and I don't care how well he knows his aircraft he'd NOT have been able to start the engine in time.

Bloody stupid.

I agree, if he'd have got it all wrong, and survived, I suppose he would expect emergency services to rescue him, at great cost. I put him in the same category as base jumpers and the like. They think of nothing else than an adrenalin rush. That's not what flying is all about.


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