Shobdon light aircraft down.
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True but a vistiting aircraft needs more observation & care than a locally based aircraft, especiually where a non standard procedure exists, as this accident proves. Accidents are usually the results of error chains despite people not being able to understand that chain. Admitting the existence of the chain rather than a single cause can improve aviatiion safety. This is not the first time this type of accident has occured in a circuit (Hamble early 70s) without ATC.
An aircraft had just taken off at Shobdon with another joining surely this warrants some special visual attention from those charged with the safety of the ATZ traffic
An aircraft had just taken off at Shobdon with another joining surely this warrants some special visual attention from those charged with the safety of the ATZ traffic
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I always thought FISO were supposed to keep a lookout for traffic within the ATZ,
2 Responsibility of FISO
2.1 The FISO has the following specific responsibilities:
a) issuing information to aircraft flying in the aerodrome traffic zone to assist the
pilots in preventing collisions;
b) issuing instructions and information to aircraft on the manoeuvring area to assist
pilots in preventing collisions between aircraft and vehicles and obstructions on
the manoeuvring area or between aircraft moving on the apron.
c) issuing instructions to vehicles and persons on the manoeuvring area;
d) alerting the safety services;
e) initiating overdue action;
f) informing aircraft of any items of essential aerodrome information.
2.1 The FISO has the following specific responsibilities:
a) issuing information to aircraft flying in the aerodrome traffic zone to assist the
pilots in preventing collisions;
b) issuing instructions and information to aircraft on the manoeuvring area to assist
pilots in preventing collisions between aircraft and vehicles and obstructions on
the manoeuvring area or between aircraft moving on the apron.
c) issuing instructions to vehicles and persons on the manoeuvring area;
d) alerting the safety services;
e) initiating overdue action;
f) informing aircraft of any items of essential aerodrome information.
However, with the exception of issuing instructions to aircraft on the ground under the
conditions described above, FISOs must not issue instructions of their own volition
or exercise any form of control over aircraft. It should be noted that neither the
aerodrome authority nor the FISO can prohibit an aircraft from entering the aerodrome
traffic zone.
conditions described above, FISOs must not issue instructions of their own volition
or exercise any form of control over aircraft. It should be noted that neither the
aerodrome authority nor the FISO can prohibit an aircraft from entering the aerodrome
traffic zone.
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From: 18nm NE grice 28ft up
AGCS radio (I know it is not quite the same), according to CAP413 Chapter 5.2.3 does not need a view of the airfield as all traffic information passed is based on position reports from other aircraft.
However if said operator does have a view of the airfield and he does see an impending incident he would act under his duty of care.
Having the benefit of windows does show up the limitations of the usefulness of the minimum standards required of an AGCS or FISO at airfields.
D.O.
However if said operator does have a view of the airfield and he does see an impending incident he would act under his duty of care.
Having the benefit of windows does show up the limitations of the usefulness of the minimum standards required of an AGCS or FISO at airfields.
D.O.
