Batteries and icing
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What sort of bo**ocks is that?
Just because the temperature is 0. Doesn't mean you are in icing condiitons. I assume you've been up at altitude on a summers day. Ever noticed what the OAT gauge might be reading.
Good grief!
Just because the temperature is 0. Doesn't mean you are in icing condiitons. I assume you've been up at altitude on a summers day. Ever noticed what the OAT gauge might be reading.
Good grief!
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Wait untill the ambient air tempreture rises enough to melt the ice.
If the temp is 0c or below, you should not fly as you are in icing conditions. Simple as that!
If the temp is 0c or below, you should not fly as you are in icing conditions. Simple as that!
Too much Champagne me thinks, mate.
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From: Hebra Outerdies
It seems that the lunatics are running the asylum.
If this is your response to a question, which you clearly have little or no knowledge of then why ask in the first place?
I thought the Muppet show ended years ago... I obviously was wrong! All the cast are alive and well in the private flying forum!
If this is your response to a question, which you clearly have little or no knowledge of then why ask in the first place?
I thought the Muppet show ended years ago... I obviously was wrong! All the cast are alive and well in the private flying forum!
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From: An island somewhere
Im not going to do the work for you.
If the temp is 0c or below, you should not fly as you are in icing conditions. Simple as that!
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It seems that the lunatics are running the asylum.
If this is your response to a question, which you clearly have little or no knowledge of then why ask in the first place?
I thought the Muppet show ended years ago... I obviously was wrong! All the cast are alive and well in the private flying forum!
If this is your response to a question, which you clearly have little or no knowledge of then why ask in the first place?
I thought the Muppet show ended years ago... I obviously was wrong! All the cast are alive and well in the private flying forum!
I promise you. I'm not worried about my level of knowledge on this subject.
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From: Not a million miles from EGTF
I doubt very much that robin was daft enough to go flying with frost on the wings.
A few lines on a website that could mean anything, don't make someone a fool or a bad pilot.
Get a bit of a grip please and don't go down the idiotic route of hanging and drawing someone due to comments on here about a situation you weren't part of and have absolutely no knowledge of.
A few lines on a website that could mean anything, don't make someone a fool or a bad pilot.
Get a bit of a grip please and don't go down the idiotic route of hanging and drawing someone due to comments on here about a situation you weren't part of and have absolutely no knowledge of.
As it happens it was not an open water crossing. The frost was only on the wings for a very short time and disappeared quickly in flight. I would never have made the trip if I was at all concerned about airframe icing and carb icing was never a problem.
Being a natural-born coward I probably have less desire to put myself at risk than many and will (and have) abandon(ed) flights if I am not convinced it is safe to continue.
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Shame some of the comments are being deleted so quickly, as there's clearly a large gap in knowledge here. Maybe a gap I could've addressed today: flying with a reasonably high aspect & thus critical wing in -5 or so. Or maybe a few weeks ago, across the Irish Sea at FL105 on a lovely winter's morning with an OAT of -18? Both utterly clear of ice on the wings or the engine intake, and with a piston engine cleared down to fuel temps of -30 on Jet A-1. Or a couple of times getting through cumulus clouds at rather higher OATs with anti-icing systems switched on to control the buildup of ice and allow me to get to clearer air - in a twin rather than a single, fortunately.
Icing conditions are not purely defined by temperature - it does take a certain amount of humidity to actually create the ice.
Icing conditions are not purely defined by temperature - it does take a certain amount of humidity to actually create the ice.
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Are you saying that you need both cold temperature and moisture to form ice?
Shame some people need prompting to make them think. Just like the people who assume that commuting in -6 on 2 wheels means an automatic death wish, or that a balmy summer's day means no carb heat checks are required. Ah well...
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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From: Bracknell, UK
There's something rather amiss with this thread - as has been noted, so many posts have been deleted it makes it very difficult to get any sense of context. For whatever reason, the Pprune forum software no longer supports the 'quote' button which provided an easy means of quoting an existing post, complete with attribution; however, for future reference, opening a manually crafted quote with quote=Username will at least provide the attribution, but still means you have to manually cut and paste whatever muppetry has boiled your wee for it to make any sense.
It was, however, distinctly brass monkeys this morning. My cunning plan of priming the Pitts and then allowing *three* minutes for the fuel to evaporate initially worked a treat as it started immediately, but then my fundamental Baldrick nature kicked in, opened the mixture too quickly, rich cut, splutter, stop, and that was all the battery had to offer. The Yak started without much protest, but de-icing the airframe was like de-icing my freezer - I only do it once a year, it takes sodding hours and all the crap that was nicely deep frozen mysteriously transfers itself to my clothing.
Still, I did manage to aviate three days in a row, a decent enough way to round off the Christmas and New Year break. Office tomorrow....on reflection, it still be rather de-icing the Yak than stuck in an office in Slough.
It was, however, distinctly brass monkeys this morning. My cunning plan of priming the Pitts and then allowing *three* minutes for the fuel to evaporate initially worked a treat as it started immediately, but then my fundamental Baldrick nature kicked in, opened the mixture too quickly, rich cut, splutter, stop, and that was all the battery had to offer. The Yak started without much protest, but de-icing the airframe was like de-icing my freezer - I only do it once a year, it takes sodding hours and all the crap that was nicely deep frozen mysteriously transfers itself to my clothing.
Still, I did manage to aviate three days in a row, a decent enough way to round off the Christmas and New Year break. Office tomorrow....on reflection, it still be rather de-icing the Yak than stuck in an office in Slough.
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Excellent - it gets scary sometimes how many misconceptions are out there, whether from people being lucky once (a PPL reval stude who attempted to barrel roll a PA28 on me, on the grounds that he'd messed up an unusual attitude recovery badly enough once that the FI he was with decided to continue the roll round, so it must be a safe manoeuvre), or simply those who take caution to a level that actually reduces their own safety (those on this thread who would probably descend close to terrain/down a valley to escape freezing temps on a clear day!). Sadly, there's a limit to how much people who don't want to listen can be educated. The reasons for why they won't listen are a whole different thread though!
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From: in the mist
I'm surprised you have a freezer eharding. I fail to understand how even the smallest morcel of food would survive long enough in your house to be frozen. May I suggest you throw out the freezer and in it's place install a heated hangar for your pitts?
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There's something rather amiss with this thread - as has been noted, so many posts have been deleted it makes it very difficult to get any sense of context. For whatever reason, the Pprune forum software no longer supports the 'quote' button which provided an easy means of quoting an existing post, complete with attribution; however, for future reference, opening a manually crafted quote with quote=Username will at least provide the attribution, but still means you have to manually cut and paste whatever muppetry has boiled your wee for it to make any sense.
http://www.pprune.org/newreply.php?d...7697&noquote=1
now just replace the noquote=1 with noquote=0, hit enter and voilą you have your quote!
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From: The front end and about 50ft up
If the temp is 0c or below, you should not fly as you are in icing conditions. Simple as that!