Light Aircraft down in Staffordshire

[Fuji Abound]

I had that happen to me years ago. While very unlikely to be the cause of this accident a discussion on how to deal with such a passenger may serve a purpose for someone in the future.

I agree (on both points).

However, ever thought about a thread entitled "Mad girl grabs the controls".

It would probably attract just as much attention, would be subject specific and equally as informative. In fact a sort of PPRuNe ILAFFT.

[Mad Girl]

Originally Posted by Fuji Abound

ever thought about a thread entitled "Mad girl grabs the controls".

Yeah?? And what if I did??

[IO540]

I don't understand why people have to get emotional. Why cannot accidents be discussed neutrally / technically?

[Fuji Abound]

Yeah?? And what if I did??

That was quick.

I did wonder if you would be along.

[Pace]

Fuji

I always attract Mad Girls

Pace

[Nibbler]

Is it Lynx or some other personal odour?

[Mad Girl]

Originally Posted by Pace

I always attract Mad Girls

Do I know you??




Could we get back to the thread please... I've still got lots to learn and consider..

[Sir George Cayley]

You see, we're all getting along again now, bit o' humour, bit o' understanding and genuine desire to learn

Bit like life eh?

Sir George Cayley

[DX Wombat]

For all we know maybe the passenger had a panic attack, grabbed the controls and froze on them. I had that happen to me years ago. While very unlikely to be the cause of this accident a discussion on how to deal with such a passenger may serve a purpose for someone in the future.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I seem to remember being told of an accident to a perfectly serviceable aircraft in lovely weather, which initially appeared inexplicable. If I recall correctly, the pilot was flying his toddler of about 2 years and his father. The aircraft, I think, spun into the ground.Very careful examination by the AAIB concluded that the grandfather had reached back to the child and in doing so pushed the control column forward and the aircraft entered an unrecoverable spin. The conclusion was based on hand and fingerprints and their location within the aircraft.

.....crash happened to an aircraft that I had actually flown and to a pilot ......
Now months later still no word from The AAIB, still no definative reasons but the accident no longer shocks. It is becoming a distant and forgotten memory.

Pace, I can understand that as I too knew the pilot of an aircraft which crashed earlier in the year and although there is probably less of a mystery concerning the cause no report has yet been made. It may well be there were factors as yet unrevealed to us.
Whatever the eventual conclusion to any accident the only sure thing is that somewhere there is a least one family which is suffering the loss of a member. In this case it is even more sad as two young children have ben left without their parents and one of those is too young to be able to have any real memories of them.

[Pace]

Pace, I can understand that as I too knew the pilot of an aircraft which crashed earlier in the year and although there is probably less of a mystery concerning the cause no report has yet been made. It may well be there were factors as yet unrevealed to us.
Whatever the eventual conclusion to any accident the only sure thing is that somewhere there is a least one family which is suffering the loss of a member. In this case it is even more sad as two young children have ben left without their parents and one of those is too young to be able to have any real memories of them.

DX Wombat

I flew that Citation 500 aircraft before she was sold on to them. Lovely aircraft and well maintained. I have heard Rumours but nothing solid PM me if you know something I dont.

Your last bit about two young kids loosing both parents in the PA28 crash is especially awful, makes you realise what a huge responsability flights in light aircraft are. More reason why we should discuss and discuss and be aware of not only our limitations but the aircrafts.

Pace

[DX Wombat]

Not the same event Pace, but I have sent you a pm to clarify what I was talking about.

[theavionicsbloke]

AAIB Investigation

Will the AAIB (or Police) also talk to friends of the pilot to determine if the pilot was in good health both mentally and physically?

AAIB will wish to interview selected people that had personal contact with the pilot within the proceeding 24 to 48hrs hrs prior to the flight under investigation or at any other relevant time. This may provide evidence regarding human factors relevant to the incident.

Police may wish to conduct interviews to collect relevant evidence to any subsequent 'Inquest'

Physical / medical factors will normally be established by Post Mortem examintion of the deceased, scene examination and from relevant medical records as required.

Now months later still no word from The AAIB

AAIB report will only be published when accuracy and completeness can be guaranteed. This can typically take up to in excess of 12 months to achieve.

[GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU]

For Info: http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...PS%2010-09.pdf

The sensational version is at BBC NEWS | UK | England | Failed stunt 'caused air crash'

A plane crashed onto a railway line killing three people because the unlicensed pilot may have been attempting an aerobatic stunt.

[Phil Space]

The BBC and national press pretty much summed up what happened for readers who do not fly light aircraft.

If you read the report in detail the guy was an accident waiting to happen.

Several times a year we get similar scenarios in the AAIB reports.

When the accidents happen there are all the bystanders who come on here and pour the crocodile tears and condolences.

The truth is we have all met one or more of these reckless types.

It's ok taking your own life through stupid actions.

To take non flyers who trust your pilot skills is another matter.

No doubt I'll be banned for telling the truth.

[gasax]

It is all very well getting all righteous about irresponsible pilots. What do you suggest - compulsory physometric testing with no appeal if you 'fail'?

A free helpline where anyone can call in and state that 'so and so is irresponsible and should be banned from flying'?

We have an unforgiving hobby which punishes carelessness. That 'works' better than any legislation.

This guy was 'mature' and had a reasonable level of experience - a few seconds of incompetence and it was all over - what practical measure - beyond better education and awareness is going to achieve anything?

[ShyTorque]

This guy was 'mature' and had a reasonable level of experience - a few seconds of incompetence and it was all over

A few seconds? He wasn't competent or mature enough to take on board that he should have stopped flying as soon as his medical expired in 1997.

[Captain Stable]

Having read the AAIB report, it is clear that he bu99er all respect for any rules or regulations - probably considered that they were for other people to obey.

The AAIB report is ample condemnation and chilling reading. There is no record of this, no record of that, no evidence of the other. Maintenance was thoroughly dubious, no apparent approval of operation on mogas, maintenance conducted in an illegal fashion, logbooks not properly kept for either the pilot or the aircraft, and suspicions in my mind that his pilot logbook was actually falsified.

He KNEW his licence was invalid. He KNEW his medical had expired. He has robbed two children of their parents. I hope his estate is sued for everything it has to pay for their future upbringing, care and education, as the insurance company won't pay out a bean.