Ultimate Controlled Airspace Infringement
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Ultimate Controlled Airspace Infringement
From the little white book that comes along with the GASIL, 19 May - 03 Aug Edition. Page 24
Piper PA 46 Malibu 13 Jul 08.
"Infringement of the LTMA, Heathrow Zone, Stansted Zone, and Farnborough Zone by a PA46 at 2000ft. Traffic info and avoiding action given. Separation lost. Departures were stopped at Heathrow, four a/c were broken off approach, one a/c was sent around. At Stansted one a/c was sent around and one a/c's take off aborted. Appropriate CAA action is being taken as a result of this incident".
I read it in stunned amazement.
Piper PA 46 Malibu 13 Jul 08.
"Infringement of the LTMA, Heathrow Zone, Stansted Zone, and Farnborough Zone by a PA46 at 2000ft. Traffic info and avoiding action given. Separation lost. Departures were stopped at Heathrow, four a/c were broken off approach, one a/c was sent around. At Stansted one a/c was sent around and one a/c's take off aborted. Appropriate CAA action is being taken as a result of this incident".
I read it in stunned amazement.
Absolutely stunned.
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What are you so stunned at?
That a Malibu pilot would make a mistake like the rest of us?
That a Malibu would be going off airways, and having to do their own navigation?
That the infringment could cause so much trouble?
That they are being prosecuted?
I'm not critising you, just simply wondering which part of the story you are stunned at.
That a Malibu pilot would make a mistake like the rest of us?
That a Malibu would be going off airways, and having to do their own navigation?
That the infringment could cause so much trouble?
That they are being prosecuted?
I'm not critising you, just simply wondering which part of the story you are stunned at.
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That a Malibu pilot would make a mistake like the rest of us?
Like the rest of us? Speak for yourself
How many of the "rest of us" made a little MISTAKE! like this?
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None of this is in any way remarkable. Obviously he didn't know about the controlled airspace.
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I wonder what his excuse was.
I have seen first hand what is involved in such a situation. Watched over the shoulder of the Luton controller duiring the last visit to LATC when someone came straight down from Cranfield. Turned back just before the approach to Luton. Caused a lot of grief all around. Amazing how it affected flights miles away from him.
To do this on such a scale is something else and must have cost a few quid in delays I expect.
I have seen first hand what is involved in such a situation. Watched over the shoulder of the Luton controller duiring the last visit to LATC when someone came straight down from Cranfield. Turned back just before the approach to Luton. Caused a lot of grief all around. Amazing how it affected flights miles away from him.
To do this on such a scale is something else and must have cost a few quid in delays I expect.
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To cause a problem at one airport by an infringement you can understand, but to cause infringements and diversions at three smacks of more.
Ie more on suspected security issues than infringements.
Maybe the guy lost it big time enough to worry the controllers that there was more to him than a simple infringement and getting it wrong?
But heathrow, Stanstead and Farnborough? I can understand heathrow Farnborough which are on each others doorstep but Stanstead??? what was he on a blind tour of London airports?
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Ie more on suspected security issues than infringements.
Maybe the guy lost it big time enough to worry the controllers that there was more to him than a simple infringement and getting it wrong?
But heathrow, Stanstead and Farnborough? I can understand heathrow Farnborough which are on each others doorstep but Stanstead??? what was he on a blind tour of London airports?
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Or perhaps he wasn't using his gps today, and was following dr, and did infact know about the controlled airspace, and was carefully avoiding it, but in fact thought he was somewhere else than where he actually was?
You might think it's hard to make multiple airspace busts, but if you think you are somewhere else other than where you are, then I suspect it's quite easy.
I would expect that the London based controllors see this on a fairly regular occasion.
You might think it's hard to make multiple airspace busts, but if you think you are somewhere else other than where you are, then I suspect it's quite easy.
I would expect that the London based controllors see this on a fairly regular occasion.
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Well done this man.
If you are going to do it, do it properly!!
In any event, probably a yank, they dont understand our airspace, hey what the hell, you call that an airport (Stansted) I've got a bigger airport than that in my back yard. What you mean, you got THREE of these things all within 40 miles of each other - have you fellas never heard of freeways.
If you are going to do it, do it properly!!
In any event, probably a yank, they dont understand our airspace, hey what the hell, you call that an airport (Stansted) I've got a bigger airport than that in my back yard. What you mean, you got THREE of these things all within 40 miles of each other - have you fellas never heard of freeways.
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No ive worked it out all to do with the Swiss Hadron Collider. Mini Black holes.
The Guy bounced through one and ended up at Stanstead then another into Farnborough and finally another into Heathrow.
Do the Swiss know the problems they have unleashed ?
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No ive worked it out all to do with the Swiss Hadron Collider. Mini Black holes.
The Guy bounced through one and ended up at Stanstead then another into Farnborough and finally another into Heathrow.
Do the Swiss know the problems they have unleashed ?
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It really looks like the Malibu pilot was somewhat overhorsed....during his marathon airspace infringement session. I wonder exactly what "approporiate CAA action" is being taken?
My personal favourite from the white booklet is the barnstorming stampe pilot on p27 who carried out a loop the loop at Gloucester during an overhead join, do you think he misinterpreted ATC's instructions? What's the betting a handlebar moustache was involved?
SB
My personal favourite from the white booklet is the barnstorming stampe pilot on p27 who carried out a loop the loop at Gloucester during an overhead join, do you think he misinterpreted ATC's instructions? What's the betting a handlebar moustache was involved?
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"Maybe he was trying to see how many busts he could do before his engine packed up. This model does have a bit of a history on that front".
... or before a wing fell off... some history there as well
SB
... or before a wing fell off... some history there as well
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Slightly more serous answer -
I looked at the details of an incident several years ago involving multiple infringements of TMA and CTZ airspace. It was a European pilot (not a Yank) who had filed an IFR plan and when picking up his clearance received a message like ' you can't fly that route IFR ' - So he didn't...
He said 'no problems I will depart VFR', which he did.
.... and then flew his original route 'VFR'!!!
I looked at the details of an incident several years ago involving multiple infringements of TMA and CTZ airspace. It was a European pilot (not a Yank) who had filed an IFR plan and when picking up his clearance received a message like ' you can't fly that route IFR ' - So he didn't...
He said 'no problems I will depart VFR', which he did.
.... and then flew his original route 'VFR'!!!
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Maybe he was trying to see how many busts he could do before his engine
Are they that bad?
Does the Meridian have the same wing design?
packed up. This model does have a bit of a history on that front".
... or before a wing fell off... some history there as well
... or before a wing fell off... some history there as well
Does the Meridian have the same wing design?