Reds Notam - Am I losing it?
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Reds Notam - Am I losing it?
The Notam for the Red Arrows this weekend does not appear to be well worded. Am I the only one who reads this as one prohibited area lasting for 24 hours and 38 minutes?
Yes, I know the MAUVE 276 gives full details, but surely it cannot be so hard to write a simple intelligently written Notam. Or am I losing it?
Q) EGTT/QRTCA/IV/BO/AW/000/085/5039N00109W006
FROM: 08/09/20 09:55 TO: 08/09/21 10:33
E) RESTRICTED AREA (TEMPORARY) AT SANDOWN, I.O.W, FOR A RED ARROWS
DISPLAY WI 6NM RADIUS 503925N 0010832W. AREA ESTABLISHED UNDER
ARTICLE 96 OF THE ANO 2005 (MIL ACFT SHOULD COMPLY WITH
JSP552.201.135.9). AIC 62/2008 (MAUVE 276) DATED 17 JULY 08 REFERS.
AUS 08-09-0127/AS1 LOWER: SFC
UPPER: 8100FT AMSL
SCHEDULE: 0955-1033
Yes, I know the MAUVE 276 gives full details, but surely it cannot be so hard to write a simple intelligently written Notam. Or am I losing it?
Q) EGTT/QRTCA/IV/BO/AW/000/085/5039N00109W006
FROM: 08/09/20 09:55 TO: 08/09/21 10:33
E) RESTRICTED AREA (TEMPORARY) AT SANDOWN, I.O.W, FOR A RED ARROWS
DISPLAY WI 6NM RADIUS 503925N 0010832W. AREA ESTABLISHED UNDER
ARTICLE 96 OF THE ANO 2005 (MIL ACFT SHOULD COMPLY WITH
JSP552.201.135.9). AIC 62/2008 (MAUVE 276) DATED 17 JULY 08 REFERS.
AUS 08-09-0127/AS1 LOWER: SFC
UPPER: 8100FT AMSL
SCHEDULE: 0955-1033
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Don't carry enough fuel for all that. 
Looks like the same time on both days, but it is ambiguous. I never assume anything so if it possibly affected my flying I would ring the freephone or Sandown to confirm.
Looks like the same time on both days, but it is ambiguous. I never assume anything so if it possibly affected my flying I would ring the freephone or Sandown to confirm.
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Don't carry enough fuel for all that.
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Funny, I was just having the same head-scratching moment. The circular tour of AIP and Notams yielded nothing different, but the freephone info. for Saturday makes it a bit clearer.
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CFI, Thanks.
Yet another example of a technically correct Notam being unintelligible to the humble flier.
Acceptable perhaps in the days of the telex and tele-printer but unnecessary in the modern age.
How hard would it be simply to put a line in saying “scheduled time each day….”
Yet another example of a technically correct Notam being unintelligible to the humble flier.
Acceptable perhaps in the days of the telex and tele-printer but unnecessary in the modern age.
How hard would it be simply to put a line in saying “scheduled time each day….”
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Don't get me started. It will never end. See my post here
On any given day I could find you (literally) hundreds of marginally relevant, wrongly coded or just plain useless Notams. Until AIS get it into their heads that THEY need to do a bit of QC (as they obviously can't rely on the originators to do it - including the Reds) the whole system will be clogged with junk that obscures the important stuff.
I will e-mail AUS but if I did so every time I found rubbish in the system I would never have time to go flying.
Don't get me started. It will never end. See my post here
On any given day I could find you (literally) hundreds of marginally relevant, wrongly coded or just plain useless Notams. Until AIS get it into their heads that THEY need to do a bit of QC (as they obviously can't rely on the originators to do it - including the Reds) the whole system will be clogged with junk that obscures the important stuff.
I will e-mail AUS but if I did so every time I found rubbish in the system I would never have time to go flying.
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I complained to AUS about NOTAMs whose effective points started with the first incident on the first day, and continued until the completion of the last event on the last day. This has the effect of NOTAMs showing up in some cases for many days on which they don’t take effect. AUS replied that they do not have resources to raise NOTAMs for individual days.
Instead, as users, it appears that we have to find the resources to filter out NOTAMs that don’t apply to the dates or times that we are flying, because AUS can’t be bothered to do it right.
If they are really so under-resourced, it ought to be fixed. Actually, I don’t believe them. I believe they simply will not change their working practices because they can’t be bothered.
Chris N.
Instead, as users, it appears that we have to find the resources to filter out NOTAMs that don’t apply to the dates or times that we are flying, because AUS can’t be bothered to do it right.
If they are really so under-resourced, it ought to be fixed. Actually, I don’t believe them. I believe they simply will not change their working practices because they can’t be bothered.
Chris N.
