Plane Crash At Southend
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From: 5nm north of EGKA
This one? On route from Southend to Shoreham.
Hope they are OK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7420968.stm
Hope they are OK.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7420968.stm
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From: London, SW11
I'm relieved that I've not read of any more (serious) accidents yesterday.
I flew back from Caen in the late afternoon intending to go to Biggin Hill, but the ATIS there gave OVC at 001 by the time we were coasting in. We diverted to Lydd which was not much better (5000, BKN 006, mist) and got down safely.
I presume there had been quite a few diversions that afternoon as people tried to get home after a bank holiday weekend flying. The very helpful Lydd controller said they wished people would consider them as an airfield to visit in fair weather - and not just as a diversion airfield when everything else is below minima.
I flew back from Caen in the late afternoon intending to go to Biggin Hill, but the ATIS there gave OVC at 001 by the time we were coasting in. We diverted to Lydd which was not much better (5000, BKN 006, mist) and got down safely.
I presume there had been quite a few diversions that afternoon as people tried to get home after a bank holiday weekend flying. The very helpful Lydd controller said they wished people would consider them as an airfield to visit in fair weather - and not just as a diversion airfield when everything else is below minima.
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From: UK,Twighlight Zone
It's obvious that many pilots flew without even checking the weather
And just as obvious that many checked the weather and still decided to give it a go....
The forecasts were very clear that the weather was going to be shocking, yet people still chanced their hands 'VFR'.
I flew back in from Berlin and ended up on a minima approach ready to divert a hundred miles away.
I am surprised there were not more accidents.
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From: Savannah GA & Portsmouth UK
There's no suggestion that I've heard that the Extra incident was at all weather related. It happened in the afternoon, after the weather had cleared. Eye-witness reported the engine popping and banging before cutting out.
I watched it perform at Goodwood the day before
I watched it perform at Goodwood the day before
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Yes this is the wrong thread for this but
I reckon that there was a strong "fly in event" mentality at Tempelhof where nobody wanted to be seen to be a wimp.
The forecasts were very clear that the weather was going to be shocking, yet people still chanced their hands 'VFR'.
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From: East Sussex
Think you will find gents that this one was weather related, an engine will pop and crackle if you have to shut the throttle in a hurry !! Anyhow hope the pilot and passenger have a quick recovery from there injuries.
Will.
Will.
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I reckon that there was a strong "fly in event" mentality at Tempelhof where nobody wanted to be seen to be a wimp.
Those of us with IR's, CFIKI etc. chose to come back within the privileges of our licenses and the basis of our currency.
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Mike
You and me both must have missed something. So far as I am concerned (albeit I was not flying) the weather was very definitely VFR by the afternoon.
Whilst I personally support after the event discussions I think comments about an accident being weather related are a bit wide of the mark unless you have reliable information or an aftercast (I might add I have neither, just my view from the garden).
Moreover I dont see how it is possible to jump to the conclusion when an aircraft lands in a field obviously under reasonable control and probably following engine problems that the accident was weather related particularly as the aircraft was flying north to south (and west) towards the better weather after the front had cleared the coast by some hours I suspect.
Moreover the aircraft almost certainly did not have a AI (it never use to anyway) so I suspect the pilot would have avoided entering IMC.
You and me both must have missed something. So far as I am concerned (albeit I was not flying) the weather was very definitely VFR by the afternoon.
Whilst I personally support after the event discussions I think comments about an accident being weather related are a bit wide of the mark unless you have reliable information or an aftercast (I might add I have neither, just my view from the garden).
Moreover I dont see how it is possible to jump to the conclusion when an aircraft lands in a field obviously under reasonable control and probably following engine problems that the accident was weather related particularly as the aircraft was flying north to south (and west) towards the better weather after the front had cleared the coast by some hours I suspect.
Moreover the aircraft almost certainly did not have a AI (it never use to anyway) so I suspect the pilot would have avoided entering IMC.
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FA
Those were my thoughts as well, however I've since heard independently some information that suggests will5023 may not be wide of the mark. I suggest we all desist from speculation as to cause unless we are able to come up with more definitive information.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to pilot and passenger.
Those were my thoughts as well, however I've since heard independently some information that suggests will5023 may not be wide of the mark. I suggest we all desist from speculation as to cause unless we are able to come up with more definitive information.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery to pilot and passenger.
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Mike - yes agreed, it might have been weather related and if Will is relying on sound information then his comment is entirely reasonable imho.
As I said my comment was based entirely on the weather 20 miles away not necessarily the same as we all well know.
As I said my comment was based entirely on the weather 20 miles away not necessarily the same as we all well know.
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From: East Sussex
Hi Guys, not in the habit of rumour mongering, but an AIB inquiry is in process and the facts will come out, just know the horses mouth. Can't call the kettle black as have scud run myself and got away with it, many moon's ago, just a little wiser and older, but young enough not to be grey..yet.
Will.
Will.