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I know, all this pussy-footing around, it's so bleedin....English! 
As for your question Sir George, Loganair now only does the Orkney inter-island service. They were of course the commercial service pioneers at Oban in the 1960s and 70s (Glasgow-Oban-Mull-Coll) with Islanders and the occasional Trislander.
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As for your question Sir George, Loganair now only does the Orkney inter-island service. They were of course the commercial service pioneers at Oban in the 1960s and 70s (Glasgow-Oban-Mull-Coll) with Islanders and the occasional Trislander.
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A while back Mad Jock wrote
Im sure Mad Jock had his tongue firmly planted when he posted. However regardless the fence and reduced landing distances are a complete red herring.
It is my understanding that under the ANO it would be perfectly legal for an aircraft engaged on a flight, which is not required to use a licensed airfield, to use the full runway length during the airfield's period of licensed operation, with the authority of the airfield operator.
In which case why is the place not buzzing with King Airs and Small Business Jets.
Thing is as soon as it does shut and the fence comes down. I can see a good summer for Oban Airport. The King Airs can start using it again and well as the small biz jets. The islander can do what ever it wants with the AOC that its on.
It is my understanding that under the ANO it would be perfectly legal for an aircraft engaged on a flight, which is not required to use a licensed airfield, to use the full runway length during the airfield's period of licensed operation, with the authority of the airfield operator.
In which case why is the place not buzzing with King Airs and Small Business Jets.
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140kts:I think the juxtaposition of
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with the authority of the airfield operator
In which case why is the place not buzzing with King Airs and Small Business Jets
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I will continue to use the full length of the runway during out of hours. And I don't give a hoot if the local authority see me or not.
If the above post is indeed an extraction from the ANO then the fence excuse is void for the apparent diminished movements.
Does the council actually want this project to work or are they conceding defeat? Epic fail delusions of grandeur let someone with a proven track record take the helm and let the place thrive once again.
The place has limited commercial potential certainly not enough to be independent of government subsidies.But I guess when the wind-farm project kicks of next decade Oban might be used as a potential transportation link. Not holding my breath for that one.
If HIAL have now disengaged from the tendering process that for most people would be ominous of the situation at Oban. Not entirely certain if the council talking to HIAL during tendering process is quite legal either.
With the start of the flying season not far away it would be in everyone's interest for Oban to be on an even keel and do its utmost to get the visitors back. I am not an ardent supporter of Mr Keegan he did however do a great job when he was running the place. If anyone supports the current regime it would be akin to the turkey's voting for Christmas everyday and a sure way of running what is left of the place into the deck.
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If the above post is indeed an extraction from the ANO then the fence excuse is void for the apparent diminished movements.
Does the council actually want this project to work or are they conceding defeat? Epic fail delusions of grandeur let someone with a proven track record take the helm and let the place thrive once again.
The place has limited commercial potential certainly not enough to be independent of government subsidies.But I guess when the wind-farm project kicks of next decade Oban might be used as a potential transportation link. Not holding my breath for that one.
If HIAL have now disengaged from the tendering process that for most people would be ominous of the situation at Oban. Not entirely certain if the council talking to HIAL during tendering process is quite legal either.
With the start of the flying season not far away it would be in everyone's interest for Oban to be on an even keel and do its utmost to get the visitors back. I am not an ardent supporter of Mr Keegan he did however do a great job when he was running the place. If anyone supports the current regime it would be akin to the turkey's voting for Christmas everyday and a sure way of running what is left of the place into the deck.
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Look, this was a time bomb slowly ticking away, and the **** was going to hit the fan sooner or later. Christ, if the cooncil cannot make it work, then what chance would private enterprise
Unless you are a fat cat, lording it at the golden shareholders trough, a banker (bonus) god forbid, then running business of any fashion is very tough in UK plc to-day, all the fun of your own business, without the financial reward.
As you get older, money - the making of- is what counts, not standing on the wee hill flying the flag
Why would PK, or anyone else for that matter, operate it unless your were going to make PROFIT. I really do not think that this place can be commercial, unless you get rent free/rates free/and have all of the revenue that can be squeezed from the asset to yourself, and that would take some effort.
Unless you are a fat cat, lording it at the golden shareholders trough, a banker (bonus) god forbid, then running business of any fashion is very tough in UK plc to-day, all the fun of your own business, without the financial reward.
As you get older, money - the making of- is what counts, not standing on the wee hill flying the flag
Why would PK, or anyone else for that matter, operate it unless your were going to make PROFIT. I really do not think that this place can be commercial, unless you get rent free/rates free/and have all of the revenue that can be squeezed from the asset to yourself, and that would take some effort.
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Unless you are a fat cat, lording it at the golden shareholders trough, a banker
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Maxred,
My sentiments exactly. Not quite as succinct as you.
The last chap who run it and the only one prior to it being in a state of dereliction ran it as a profit, just and no more. The difference, his overheads were small, he employed one man who tended to aircraft operated the A/G radio and mopped the toilet occasionally. There we have the business model for the next potential operators to work off. Simples! Thinking small to get big is much better than thinking and acting big to get **** all in return.
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My sentiments exactly. Not quite as succinct as you.
The last chap who run it and the only one prior to it being in a state of dereliction ran it as a profit, just and no more. The difference, his overheads were small, he employed one man who tended to aircraft operated the A/G radio and mopped the toilet occasionally. There we have the business model for the next potential operators to work off. Simples! Thinking small to get big is much better than thinking and acting big to get **** all in return.
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Maxred wrote:
unless you get rent free/rates free
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Where is your ambition.
UK govt PAYS some rail companies to run the trains for them.
So I would expect anyone running Oban and its associated air services to be paid too.
The "tender" will be a competition to see who needs the least subsidy.
Now, if the airfield was to be sold for 1p to somebody, then they might just take it on with the hope of using some of the ground for what NS and others have proposed - restaurant/offices/industrial units/hotel etc - to subsidise the air side.
That's my 1p worth!
unless you get rent free/rates free
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Where is your ambition.
UK govt PAYS some rail companies to run the trains for them.
So I would expect anyone running Oban and its associated air services to be paid too.
The "tender" will be a competition to see who needs the least subsidy.
Now, if the airfield was to be sold for 1p to somebody, then they might just take it on with the hope of using some of the ground for what NS and others have proposed - restaurant/offices/industrial units/hotel etc - to subsidise the air side.
That's my 1p worth!
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MF:
On current plans looks like being less than one EC135 round-trip sortie per day. Not exactly a money-spinner.
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when the wind-farm project kicks of next decade Oban might be used as a potential transportation link. Not holding my breath for that one
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2 days ago 140KIAS suggested:
I've just had this from the Council:
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I would wager the currently intended combined airfield operator/PSO contract being binned in favour of 2 separate contracts
Thank you for your interest in Argyll Air Services. Since the issue of the Prior Information Notice (PIN) on the 6th of December 2010, our approach to this procurement has been amended – we will now be tendering the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree and the Airport Operations separately.
I will be releasing the tender documents for the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree via Public Contracts Scotland on Monday 14th February 2011. The release date for Airport Operations is estimated to be in the 2nd week of March 2011
I will be releasing the tender documents for the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree via Public Contracts Scotland on Monday 14th February 2011. The release date for Airport Operations is estimated to be in the 2nd week of March 2011
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2 days ago 140KIAS suggested: Quote:
I would wager the currently intended combined airfield operator/PSO contract being binned in favour of 2 separate contracts
I've just had this from the Council:
Quote:
Thank you for your interest in Argyll Air Services. Since the issue of the Prior Information Notice (PIN) on the 6th of December 2010, our approach to this procurement has been amended – we will now be tendering the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree and the Airport Operations separately.
I will be releasing the tender documents for the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree via Public Contracts Scotland on Monday 14th February 2011. The release date for Airport Operations is estimated to be in the 2nd week of March 2011
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I would wager the currently intended combined airfield operator/PSO contract being binned in favour of 2 separate contracts
I've just had this from the Council:
Quote:
Thank you for your interest in Argyll Air Services. Since the issue of the Prior Information Notice (PIN) on the 6th of December 2010, our approach to this procurement has been amended – we will now be tendering the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree and the Airport Operations separately.
I will be releasing the tender documents for the Provision of Air Services between Oban, Coll, Colonsay and Tiree via Public Contracts Scotland on Monday 14th February 2011. The release date for Airport Operations is estimated to be in the 2nd week of March 2011
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If the above post is indeed an extraction from the ANO then the fence excuse is void for the apparent diminished movements.
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"I have a query regarding the use of a licensed airfield by a private flight which has a displaced threshold due to an obstruction in the safety run-off strips at the side of the runway.
I refer specifically to Oban Airport EGEO.
There is currently a NOTAM in force as below:
Q) EGPX/QMDCH/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5628N00524W005
B) FROM: 10/03/27 09:12
C) TO: 10/04/30 16:30
E) RWY 01 THR DISPLACED 422M, REDUCED DECLARED DISTANCES:
TORA TODA ASDA LDA
RWY 01 702M 702M 837M 782M
RWY 19 842M 902M 842M 642M
Can you confirm my reading of the ANO that;- it would be legal under the ANO for an aircraft engaged on a flight which is not required to use a licensed airfield to use the full runway length at EGEO during the airfield's period of licensed operation with the authority of the airfield operator.[/font]
Dear Sir
The answer is yes, if the flight is a private flight and not for public transport, but subject to articles 137 & 138 ANO
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xrayalpha - can I tender for a consultancy role. 10k a month, and you can add it to the best tender amount, therefore least subsidy
The whole point was that with current economic cut backs, there may well be NO SUBSIDY
As cutely got by madflyer, thanks for the 'succintly' bit, I can have my rare moments, any idiot can run a service with government subsidy.
The council have given up, therefore, I would assume that any new agreements would require disclosure, and from that would come disclosure on where the 9mill went.
I really want a venture to succeed, I love the place, but, reality bites, and what we dont want is someone run it as badly or worse, that the previous incumbents, and go bust in a year or so.
I would love to be proven wrong, but I simply do not see the commercial activity to make this a profitable venture, without of course public subsidy.Why, then, if it were to be subsidised, does the council want rid of it???????? Just employ an enterprisng manager
The whole point was that with current economic cut backs, there may well be NO SUBSIDY
As cutely got by madflyer, thanks for the 'succintly' bit, I can have my rare moments, any idiot can run a service with government subsidy.
The council have given up, therefore, I would assume that any new agreements would require disclosure, and from that would come disclosure on where the 9mill went.
I really want a venture to succeed, I love the place, but, reality bites, and what we dont want is someone run it as badly or worse, that the previous incumbents, and go bust in a year or so.
I would love to be proven wrong, but I simply do not see the commercial activity to make this a profitable venture, without of course public subsidy.Why, then, if it were to be subsidised, does the council want rid of it???????? Just employ an enterprisng manager