Just has my first trial lesson at EGLD and it was bumpy.
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Just has my first trial lesson at EGLD and it was bumpy.
Hi I am still in a state of shock lol. I was in the Captains seat circling over Checquers at around 2200ft.
I have never been up in a small aircraft before and this was something else. The wind was very rough and the plane was been blown everywhere.
Luckily I hadn't eaten much or else it may have come back up.
It was a great days outing and now I can see how my flight simulator matches to the real thing.
Maybe I will book the discovery flight in the summer when the weather is better.
But my insides are still turning lol.
I have never been up in a small aircraft before and this was something else. The wind was very rough and the plane was been blown everywhere.
Luckily I hadn't eaten much or else it may have come back up.
It was a great days outing and now I can see how my flight simulator matches to the real thing.
Maybe I will book the discovery flight in the summer when the weather is better.
But my insides are still turning lol.
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Well done! remember that we are 2D animals slowly evolving. 3D motion is a bit of a stretch but you will soon acclimatise. When the fight or flight mechanism kicks in through exitement the chemicals in brains and guts conflict. It is well worth persevering. Not too wise to fly for first time ever in recent weather due to risk you may be put off. Not everyone is into the roller coaster but you will soon be hankering for more....
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Well I didn't have to keep to many tolerances in the air. That would have been difficult in the flying conditions.
The controls where about the same as my sims.
On todays performance I would have said it was about right.
But the weather was something else today, although my instructor did warn me.
ps, my insides have called now that I have eaten. All I need to get now is some motion sickness remedies.
The controls where about the same as my sims.
On todays performance I would have said it was about right.
But the weather was something else today, although my instructor did warn me.
ps, my insides have called now that I have eaten. All I need to get now is some motion sickness remedies.
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One of my lessons a few weeks ago was right after a trial lesson had ended with the prospective student being sick... poor guy
One of my instructors always told me if you're gonna be sick, do it inside your tshirt, saves cleaning the plane after..
One of my instructors always told me if you're gonna be sick, do it inside your tshirt, saves cleaning the plane after..
Not a terribly clever day for a trial flight.
Too many 'schools' rely on such things for a revenue stream - yet bouncing around in unpleasant conditions could actually put off a 'real' student (rather than an effectively non-AOC joyride passenger). Which could lose the school a PPL course.....
Too many 'schools' rely on such things for a revenue stream - yet bouncing around in unpleasant conditions could actually put off a 'real' student (rather than an effectively non-AOC joyride passenger). Which could lose the school a PPL course.....
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Yes I like to be in control and the instructor was working the pedals while I was in the air.
Because he had partial control I didnt know what was happening, or when and how he was effecting the situation.
I also have FSX, but I dont have the PA28 pack. I may purchase it now.
Thanks
Because he had partial control I didnt know what was happening, or when and how he was effecting the situation.
I also have FSX, but I dont have the PA28 pack. I may purchase it now.
Thanks
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And what sort of weather would that be exactly? A seagull could fart in front of a trial lesson punter causing a bump - they'd probably think the aircraft was falling to the ground in severe turb.... or at least make out it was in front of their mates later down the pub! 
My point is: we know where he flew from and we know it was breezy today.... but if every school canx their TL's cuz of a breeze they'd be going under. The instructor told the guy it'd be a bit lumpy (no doubt due to the local procedures forcing them down below 1000QFE and the LTMA keeping them down below 2500QNH once clear) and the guy chose to go - in my book that's a fair deal. Next you lot will be saying "go back for a refund!" or something.......
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My point is: we know where he flew from and we know it was breezy today.... but if every school canx their TL's cuz of a breeze they'd be going under. The instructor told the guy it'd be a bit lumpy (no doubt due to the local procedures forcing them down below 1000QFE and the LTMA keeping them down below 2500QNH once clear) and the guy chose to go - in my book that's a fair deal. Next you lot will be saying "go back for a refund!" or something.......
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Pollux....
Ariel, BEagle....
Not buying this. At the time this went off the wind was not a factor. I had a licence holder up for some revision in the same locale and it was fine. This was just after a student and I were doing performance takeoffs, and before I went up for some circuits on my own. Sure a few bumps over the ridge lower down, but at 2.2, it was smooth as the proverbial.....
Wind calmed as the day went on (as forecast) and too many people look at the ten-to-nineteens and say game over. Fortunately, not wanting to disappoint where there was a possibility to fulfil an obligation, this one went ahead. Quite rightly IMHO.
Not buying this. At the time this went off the wind was not a factor. I had a licence holder up for some revision in the same locale and it was fine. This was just after a student and I were doing performance takeoffs, and before I went up for some circuits on my own. Sure a few bumps over the ridge lower down, but at 2.2, it was smooth as the proverbial.....
Wind calmed as the day went on (as forecast) and too many people look at the ten-to-nineteens and say game over. Fortunately, not wanting to disappoint where there was a possibility to fulfil an obligation, this one went ahead. Quite rightly IMHO.
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A students perception of turbulence and an experienced pilots perception of turbulence are normally quite different. Understanding how others feel and react is the basis of being a good instructor.
I would be careful of spending a lot of money at a school with an instructor who has broken these basic rules on the first flight.
I would be careful of spending a lot of money at a school with an instructor who has broken these basic rules on the first flight.
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Without lowering myself into an argument, some people may not have read my message correctly!!
I said:
I have never been up in a small aircraft before.
The wind was very rough and the plane was blown everywhere
Luckily I hadn't eaten much or else it may have come back up.
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This was a rescheduled trial; because my original time on Sat at 1pm had been cancelled. If anyone heard the wind on Saturday around EGLD then maybe you would understand. TPC were very professional and phoned me to let me know when it was possible to fly again. So up I went the following day as soon as it was deemed possible.
The instructor did warn me that it could be turbulent and agreed that we could come back if I didn't feel well. He also mentioned that at 10am it was very unpleasant and still a condition for cancellation.
I’m sorry that I can't match the skills of some professional stunt hell raisers on here. It was merely a trial lesson and the feelings I encountered at times were very unpleasant.
I said:
I have never been up in a small aircraft before.
The wind was very rough and the plane was blown everywhere
Luckily I hadn't eaten much or else it may have come back up.
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This was a rescheduled trial; because my original time on Sat at 1pm had been cancelled. If anyone heard the wind on Saturday around EGLD then maybe you would understand. TPC were very professional and phoned me to let me know when it was possible to fly again. So up I went the following day as soon as it was deemed possible.
The instructor did warn me that it could be turbulent and agreed that we could come back if I didn't feel well. He also mentioned that at 10am it was very unpleasant and still a condition for cancellation.
I’m sorry that I can't match the skills of some professional stunt hell raisers on here. It was merely a trial lesson and the feelings I encountered at times were very unpleasant.
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My trial lesson was pretty similar, the instructor told me that it could be quite bumpy and was i ok with that, and explained that if i felt uncomfy then we would come back straight away, i really enjoyed it thou and the weather didnt bother me, sorry that it made u feel a bit sick but that could also be nerves and excitment for your first lesson,
just look forward to the next one and hopefully if you get better conditions it will be more fun for u
just look forward to the next one and hopefully if you get better conditions it will be more fun for u
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I’m sorry that I can't match the skills of some professional stunt hell raisers on here. It was merely a trial lesson and the feelings I encountered at times were very unpleasant.
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llanfairpg.....
....easy tiger. He states that the school and instructor acted in a professional and acceptable manner. He also accepts that, being new to flying, his internal gyro's weren't spinning as fast as perhaps they should have. I read your post as twisting words.
Midiman....
I'm afraid, sir, that it doesn't matter what you write on here, there will always be those that will read what they want to read. (myself included at times!)
....easy tiger. He states that the school and instructor acted in a professional and acceptable manner. He also accepts that, being new to flying, his internal gyro's weren't spinning as fast as perhaps they should have. I read your post as twisting words.
Midiman....
I'm afraid, sir, that it doesn't matter what you write on here, there will always be those that will read what they want to read. (myself included at times!)
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you have 2 options, being put out by the weather and only booking when there's good weather or flying in good conditions (I assume the wind, vis and cloud ceiling was not limiting) albeit bumpy or overcast.
If you learn to control the aircraft when its hard, whenever you do get good weather you will enjoy it ever more.
IMHO
If you learn to control the aircraft when its hard, whenever you do get good weather you will enjoy it ever more.
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Hi Midiman
I fly with TPC. Did you fly OWAR, BUFY or BURT?
I flew the TPC 172 for the first time on Friday - it was quite windy with a few gusts but I felt quite safe flying up to Meppershall to drop an instructor off to collect one of the TPC aircraft and then onwards to the local training area for a dual check. Abeam Leighton Buzzard it was so windy at 2000 feet we were virtually standing still in the air! (I was practicing slow flight at 55 kts).
Landing back at Denham was interesting due to a gusty wind down RW24 but we got down fine despite the 172 wanting to float for a few extra feet.
When I first learnt to fly I also felt uncomfortable with bumpy and gusty conditions. You will find these feelings lessening as your flying experience increases.
Hope your trial flight experience won't put you off training.
Adam
PS: I still use FS2004, UK VFR Photographic scenery and the Justflight 152 to check waypoints/VRPs before I fly to an unfamiliar airfield.
PM if you wish - let me know when you're next planning on flying - may see you there.
I fly with TPC. Did you fly OWAR, BUFY or BURT?
I flew the TPC 172 for the first time on Friday - it was quite windy with a few gusts but I felt quite safe flying up to Meppershall to drop an instructor off to collect one of the TPC aircraft and then onwards to the local training area for a dual check. Abeam Leighton Buzzard it was so windy at 2000 feet we were virtually standing still in the air! (I was practicing slow flight at 55 kts).
Landing back at Denham was interesting due to a gusty wind down RW24 but we got down fine despite the 172 wanting to float for a few extra feet.
When I first learnt to fly I also felt uncomfortable with bumpy and gusty conditions. You will find these feelings lessening as your flying experience increases.
Hope your trial flight experience won't put you off training.
Adam
PS: I still use FS2004, UK VFR Photographic scenery and the Justflight 152 to check waypoints/VRPs before I fly to an unfamiliar airfield.
PM if you wish - let me know when you're next planning on flying - may see you there.
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My second lesson was in gusty bumpy conditions down at Shoreham. I absolutely loved it.
I found the same when I was learning to sail - decent challenging conditions were much more fun than the sedate days.
Am I really the only one??
I found the same when I was learning to sail - decent challenging conditions were much more fun than the sedate days.
Am I really the only one??
