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Last year I was providing a service to a BE58 that ended up having a double engine failure over the mountains in not very nice weather!!! Eventually got one engine restarted and scrapped back to NC via the M6!!!! The eventual outcome was fuel mismanagement!!!
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As far as I am aware the a/c reported a rough running engine, which soon became a double engine failure. The pilot apparently got one of the engines started again and was heading towards the cherbourg coast when it failed a 2nd time. The a/c did have a liferaft which the survivor was found in, the other 2 were found face down in water. The a/c was originally routing cvt-gci, my sincere condolences go to all the families and praise to those involved in the rescue.
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I know there are single points of failure in piston twins for electrics (the master switch being one of them) but losing both engines in non-icing conditions, over the sea, surely has to be running out of fuel?
Perhaps fuel contamination with water? Does this type feed both engines from the same tank?
Perhaps fuel contamination with water? Does this type feed both engines from the same tank?
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Food for thought here.....http://www.thomaspturner.net/Fuel.htm
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A very experienced instructor friend of mine once told me a story of how he reckoned he was 2 mins from double engine failure in a Seneca (with one tank still full!) . During the taxy checks the cross feeds are checked. In this case his student didn't return one of the cross feeds to ON - and his mistake, he didn't check. The result was that both engines were feeding from the same tank. The "problem" is that the left engine returns fuel to the left tank, and right to the right tank - the result with full tanks is that one tank is being drained at 30 gals per hour, and the other full tank is being fed with return fuel, which gets dumped overboard if the tank is full.
Of course when they noticed this, they crossfed from the other tank and everything was ok.
Of course when they noticed this, they crossfed from the other tank and everything was ok.
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I have just looked up N2326Y....
Does anyone know when it last changed hands or anything about it? I have a very nasty suspicion that I have flown in this aeroplane.........
Ta....
Does anyone know when it last changed hands or anything about it? I have a very nasty suspicion that I have flown in this aeroplane.........
Ta....
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Name SOUTHERN AIRCRAFT CONSULTANCY INC TRUSTEE StreetTHE COT COT VALLEY ST JUST CityCORNWALL StateFOREIGN Zip Code TR19 -7NT CountyCountryUNITED KINGDOM
Name SOUTHERN AIRCRAFT CONSULTANCY INC TRUSTEE StreetTHE COT COT VALLEY ST JUST CityCORNWALL StateFOREIGN Zip Code TR19 -7NT CountyCountryUNITED KINGDOM
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That is just the N-reg trustee. He has about 200 planes on his name.
The usual procedure is to google on the tail number.
It's all very sad and so pointless. I am used to flying with a fuel flowmeter accurate to 1% and I can usually tell if some airport pump has been "adjusted" to over-read by a few % (this is sometimes found in the more southern parts of Europe). It's easy to forget that the vast majority of GA pilots, even twins, fly without accurate fuel instruments and therefore on guesswork. Conservative guesswork usually, and OK if one remains very conservative. Unfortunately, if one is sufficiently conservative to be safe, one ends up chucking away a large part of one's usable range.
The usual procedure is to google on the tail number.
It's all very sad and so pointless. I am used to flying with a fuel flowmeter accurate to 1% and I can usually tell if some airport pump has been "adjusted" to over-read by a few % (this is sometimes found in the more southern parts of Europe). It's easy to forget that the vast majority of GA pilots, even twins, fly without accurate fuel instruments and therefore on guesswork. Conservative guesswork usually, and OK if one remains very conservative. Unfortunately, if one is sufficiently conservative to be safe, one ends up chucking away a large part of one's usable range.
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We painted the aircraft in 2001 @ Sturgate. The Aircraft was based in Lincolnshire at Gamston and Wickenby and Gerry Cooper of Cooper Aerial Surveys used to look after it for the owner at that time. Not long after it was resprayed it was put up for sale with various brokers but not sure if it sold or not.
We painted the aircraft in 2001 @ Sturgate. The Aircraft was based in Lincolnshire at Gamston and Wickenby and Gerry Cooper of Cooper Aerial Surveys used to look after it for the owner at that time. Not long after it was resprayed it was put up for sale with various brokers but not sure if it sold or not.
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This is the latest picked up from the net.
RUGBY man survived after his plane crashed into the English Channel, killing two of his colleagues.
RUGBY man survived after his plane crashed into the English Channel, killing two of his colleagues.
Mark Wilkinson, of Rugby, is recovering in hospital after the traumatic events of yesterday (Wednesday).
Mr Wilkinson was plucked from the sea in a dramatic helicopter rescue eight miles off the French coast.
Two of his colleagues - one from Daventry and the other from Sutton Coldfield - died in the crash.
One of two men who died after a plane crashed into the English Channel has been named as Rodney Badham, 65, from Daventry in Northamptonshire.
Mr Wilkinson was plucked from the sea in a dramatic helicopter rescue eight miles off the French coast.
Two of his colleagues - one from Daventry and the other from Sutton Coldfield - died in the crash.
One of two men who died after a plane crashed into the English Channel has been named as Rodney Badham, 65, from Daventry in Northamptonshire.
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My thoughts go out to all the family and friends of these 2 people who were killed in this accident.......I was lucky enough to work with one the guy's who died in this accident for a period of time...He was a warm genuine caring guy with a heart of gold...Sadly missed by lots, hope you are at peace. The world had lost an amazing bloke and we all have lost an true friend...
Forever in our thoughts
Forever in our thoughts
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A labour of love
My earliest recollection when I first moved to Airpark at CVT with my aircraft was of Rodney up to his neck in grease working on the Baron. From memory he was chasing an oil leak which he finally cracked but not before making a few good puddles on the pristine floor of the Airpark hangar.
I always found Rodney to be a thoroughly agreeable bloke - very knowledgable about the business and always happy to help. I hope all who's lives were touched by Rodney and the other people involved in this tragey will remember the joy that aviation brought to their lives.
I always found Rodney to be a thoroughly agreeable bloke - very knowledgable about the business and always happy to help. I hope all who's lives were touched by Rodney and the other people involved in this tragey will remember the joy that aviation brought to their lives.
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we had a female driver in Stephan Baths Baron do excatly the same and wrote it off in field landing - luckily with no injuries other than pride - scratches - heaps of fuel vented and heaps on board but incorrect feed and supply - donks stopped - very expensive.
Also huge praise for the reeny tri driver and pax on board his plane for watching events unfold then the feeling of help-less-ness after ditching - whilst helping other sar services in locating which could easily of ended up being 3 fatals if they didnt help......
A thought i have had for years which is relevant to the thread and i would welcome opinions: " Why dont fixed wing mfrs have a blister in the fuselage where a liferaft or dinghy can be loaded for overwater flights... it should be far easier to get access to the external of the aircraft after ditching than internal????
we had a female driver in Stephan Baths Baron do excatly the same and wrote it off in field landing - luckily with no injuries other than pride - scratches - heaps of fuel vented and heaps on board but incorrect feed and supply - donks stopped - very expensive.
Also huge praise for the reeny tri driver and pax on board his plane for watching events unfold then the feeling of help-less-ness after ditching - whilst helping other sar services in locating which could easily of ended up being 3 fatals if they didnt help......
A thought i have had for years which is relevant to the thread and i would welcome opinions: " Why dont fixed wing mfrs have a blister in the fuselage where a liferaft or dinghy can be loaded for overwater flights... it should be far easier to get access to the external of the aircraft after ditching than internal????
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Re the liferaft storage idea - they aren't exactly light and would cause a CofG problem in many GA aircraft if they were 'outside' the cabin/baggage area of the fuselage.
It would appear that there was a raft in this sad occurrence which unfortunately 2 of the people didn't manage to get into. The survivor was quite an experienced PPL(A) holder, by the way.
It would appear that there was a raft in this sad occurrence which unfortunately 2 of the people didn't manage to get into. The survivor was quite an experienced PPL(A) holder, by the way.
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mmmmm - my fault for not explaining in technical terms - the CofG issue is not an issue, due to the vast array of technical liferafts available - think BRS for scope, location etc - there are many, many, many technical liferafts in production - this is not the thread or place to get diverted from the incident in question just purely a general comment - idea..!
Appreciate where you are coming from tho...
Appreciate where you are coming from tho...