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Old 24th Jul 2010, 08:25
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Lightbulb Orbifly Met'Map : new free tools being developed

Hi Pilots !

It's a looong time since I wrote about Met'Map, but the website is still being improved, day after day !

As requested on the previous thread, we extended Met'Map to Ukraine and even more : Egypt, Eastern countries, North Atlantic, Guyanas and Caribbeans. The default chart is a "small" Europe but you can select EUROPE to get a larger one.

We improved the looking of the map (but I will probably make some big change on the website before the end of the year...).


Some days ago I uploaded some major modifications and improvements.
These are still Bêta versions (work is in progress) so you may encounter some bugs until we stabilize the code, but you can already play the "Guinea Pig" for us... thanks in advance !


SILVER ACCOUNT

You can now create a Silver Account even if you are not an Orbiflyer (=Orbifly student) in order to have access to all new features and Bêta versions :
MET'MAP - ORBIFLY FLIGHT SCHOOL - IFR ET CPL AMERICAIN EN EUROPE - FAA IFR AND CPL IN EUROPE

Some Pilot Community features will be added in the future.


ORBIFLYERs MAP

You can add comments about airfields you have been to, and read other pilot's comments.

Comments are given with several categories : Fuel, GA-friendy, hotel, restaurant, Pilot info, Car rental, etc.....

You can sort them by language, category, view them on a map with coloured spots (colour may depict a category of service, actual weather, or the airfields you've been to).

This is brand new so there are not a lot of comments, but you are welcome to add your comments in any language you want. I'm really interested if some of you can add comments about UK airfields !

If you need us to add an airfield which is not on the map, just ask by email [email protected] and it will be added

In the future it will be possible to contact pilots who wrote comments (if they accept to be contacted) and to see one pilot's comments on a Trip map.


NOTAMs MAP

But those NOTAMs depicted are coloured on the Map to help pilots read them : Active Notams, Future Notams, and newly activated Notams are easily depicted by airfield or by FIR.

This is a Bêta version, that is why :

- some Notams may be missing (we are finishing the server synchronizing functions)
- only some countries are depicted (the map will be extended to the whole Europe when the code is stabilized)
- some more tools will be added soon

But we hope you will appreciate this map, your feedback is welcome.


Best regards,

Alexandra
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Old 24th Jul 2010, 15:45
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Thanks for the update Alexandra. I don't go anywhere without checking Orbifly, since it is so easy to use, both on PC and mobile phone.
It used to take me the best part of an hour to get met info appropriate to my route. On Orbifly it takes no more than 5 mins.
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Alexandra, I really appreciate Met'map, particularly the color-coded METARs. I use it a lot and will continue to do so. And I welcome any and all improvements to the site.

However...

NOTAMs MAP
There have been several discussions here in the past about graphical NOTAM representation on a map. A big issue, identified by more than one person, is that the "formal" lines (not the description) only allow you to encode a lat/long position and a radius. This then leads to a circle that can be drawn on a map. But some NOTAMs cover a vast area but an irregular shape, or are an A-B royal flight route, or an all-FIR NOTAM, and this leads to an unrealistically large (encompassing) circle.

Several authors of graphical NOTAM display software have stumbled upon this problem, and everybody agrees that this is not really solveable with the current NOTAM format. XNOTAM (XML-based), when it's ever going to happen, is going to have the ability to include multiple lat/long coordinates so that these difficult NOTAMs can be drawn properly.

I'm pretty sure that you've hit upon the same issue. Could you tell us how you interpret the NOTAMs, and how you managed to group certain NOTAMs under certain airports?

Obviously this is rather important to know, as you need to know where to find certain NOTAMs for a long x-country. Me personally, I'm always afraid I'm missing one because I don't understand the filtering rules of a certain site.

The other issue that I found is that your site currently does not do any filtering based on date or time. I was browsing the site and it displays NOTAMs today about fireworks that are going to happen on New Years Eve. Well, duh. Is there a way you can enter a date of flight, and only displays NOTAMS that are active on that date?
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Hi !

Thanks for asking.

In fact you are right : this is a hot discussion inside the Orbiteam about these NOTAMs.

How we know a NOTAM is linked to a specific airport ? Because this information is given in the NOTAM header.
Some NOTAMs may be several times in the database, because linked to both an airport and a FIR, or to several airports.

There are a lot of websites who propose to graphically depict NOTAMs, but even if some of them look impressively nice, most of the time this gives an unreadable chart, everything is confused and, very often, the information is wrong. Even the location Data in the Notam itself can be, well I would not say "wrong" :-) , but at least, tricky.

The way NOTAMs are written is "old fashioned" and really not easy to use or to optimize. As you say, there is nearly nothing we can do to improve this. As you already find a lot of "imagination" in the way METARs or TAFs are written by some of their authors, you cannot imagine how true this is for NOTAMs !

So if we cannot improve the way NOTAMs are written, we can make them available faster. We will also add soon some more features to help pilots browse NOTAMs lists faster to find data pertinent to their flights.

This will help, despite some crazy situations... did you notice some FIRs depict 250+ NOTAMs at once ?? Just check Germany for example... Who can read carefully 250+ NOTAMs before each expected flight ? Well, we'll try to help reducing the time spent, but... it is still time to spend.

About time and Notams : yes this is depicted by colours, giving the effective date, and NOTAMs are also sorted by effective date.

The colours chosen are (unless we change our mind about these colors) :

- Dark blue : NOTAM active
- Light blue : NOTAM not active (future)
- Purple : NOTAM being activated today (newly activated)

Why the purple color when we could just keep 2 colors for active/non active notams ?
Because when you fly often from/to the same airports, you get used to some "well known" NOTAMs. If you see a purple spot today on the airfield, that means : CAUTION ! There is something new there today...

Why depict the future notams in light blue, if they will not be activated today ? Because you may wish to plan a flight for another day, and some of these information about future Notams may influence your decision. So this also means that if you want to fly TODAY, you do not care "light blue coloured" NOTAMs : you can disregard them.

We appreciate all your remarks about this, the choice of colours, the way it is depicted, the way it works, the way you find (or do not find) datas....

You will see there is a warning on the website concerning the NOTAMs Map : this is a Bêta version, and as the server synchronizing function is still being modified, some NOTAMs are missing.

This will be corrected in the next days, but whatever, it is important to note that (disclaimer mode ON ) Met'Map is not an official data source for the final flight planning : this is a help to have all data "at a glance", and help the pre-planning of a flight, but this cannot substitute to official weather briefing and flight planning services (disclaimer mode OFF ).

Another word about the Orbiflyers'Map (currently available only when you log in the website, so a Silver account is required).

I would be happy if UK pilots take the time to write comments about those airfields they know !
Comments in English are more than welcome, as they will be readable from any European pilot.

What we want to do with this Map is to create a real European exchange place about airfield data, not just another "airfield info website", clean and cold, but real "hot" experience of pilots offered to other pilots, accross boundaries.

Happy landings,

Alexandra
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I used it for the first time this morning for a flight to the West Country. The METAR colour coding is a bit inconsistent.

EGTE 250550Z 33002KT 9999 FEW004 BKN010 16/15 Q1018 is decribed as Marginal VFR. Not for me it isn't. But hopefully it is going to improve.
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as the server synchronizing function is still being modified, some NOTAMs are missing.
I noticed that you are using some FAA source (NOAA?) for the NOTAMs and I assume you've got some sort of script to retrieve the NOTAMs off their server. Did you ever consider to use the "official" Eurocontrol method for this? They are (AFAIK) the official hub for all European NOTAM information and they've got an XML based download method ("My EAD").

Using an approved method to get your data from an official source should help with the reliability of the NOTAM retrieval process, and the acceptance by your users.

EUROCONTROL - -
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Old 25th Jul 2010, 09:30
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Good morning,

pulse1 : here is the legend we have chosen (visibility / ceiling) :

VFR >= 8 km >= 3000ft
Marginal VFR 5 to 8 km 1000 to 3000 ft
IFR 1500m to 5 km 500 to 1000 ft
Intensive IFR 800 to 1500m 200 to 500 ft
Very Intensive IFR < 800m < 200 ft

Those limitations are the same as those depicted on Jeppesen charts and other alike. 1000 ft is the lowest ceiling to be plotted as Marginal VFR, below is IFR. So your are right, this weather you are talking about is no good weather for a nice VFR departure, and I would also wait until it improves or file IFR :-)

Backpacker : We have compared both databases for months : the FAA Notam database seems to be accurate, moreover it provides us with all data around the world while the EUROCONTROL database is limited to a list of countries.

But yes, we are in the process of getting a Eurocontrol access.

We first contacted them because the FAA database provides only internationaly widespread NOTAMs, no local NOTAMs. Unfortunately, it seems like the EUROCONTROL database has the same limitation.

However, we are still in the process of getting a EUROCONTROL access in order to double the source, as you suggest, to make it more reliable in case one of those sources fails. But the cost is quite high (several thousands of EUR) and this requires to set up the system with a protocol compatible with their format.

Thanks for your brainstorming, keep on thinking about it, that's really interesting for us to improve the website.

Happy landings,

Alexandra
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Old 25th Jul 2010, 10:13
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Hi

On your online requests, added today :

- EGHE Scilly Isles
- EGHQ Newquay
- LXGB Gibraltar

and some others yesterday.

Regards,

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Old 25th Jul 2010, 12:26
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Orbifly. Well done, an excellent site, however I have a question. The use of the terminology "VFR" / "IFR" as a measure of meteorological conditions is, I believe, incorrect? Should this not be VMC / IMC ?
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Hi,

Thank you !

Yes the terminology IMC/VMC could be also correct, and even better maybe on a European point of view.

We had to think about this to make a decision. The main problem is that VMC has a precise definition :

In Europe :
visibility > 1500 m (uncontrolled airspace) or >5km (controlled airspace), clear of clouds (uncontrolled airspace below 3000ft AMSL / 1000ft ASFC) or cloud clearance 1000 ft verticaly or 1500m/30 seconds lateraly (controlled airspace and class G above 3000ft/1000ft), and some different definitions by night depending on which European country you fly (there are also some differences for VMC conditions by day in some countries).

In the US : above 10 000 ft visibility > 5 SM and cloud clearance 1000ft verticaly and 1SM lateraly ; below 10 000 ft visibility > 3SM (controlled airspace or night) or 1 SM (uncontrolled) and cloud clearance in controlled airspace (except class B) or by night is 1000 ft above 500 ft below and 2000 ft lateraly.

Using a precise word "VMC" to depict conditions which can be below a VMC definition, and with a word which does not have the same definition in different countries, or by day/by night, or depending the class of the airspace, was not very comfortable.

Moreover, the criteria that we have chosen are approximately linked to Instrument approaches to be expected/required :

IFR = Below VMC but approximately Non Precision Minima
Intensive IFR = Below VMC and approximately Precision Minima (expect ILS)
Very intensive IFR = Below Precision Minima, not accessible for most GA IFR pilots (expect Cat II or lower)

That is why we decided to use the same legend as the Jeppesen weather Chart, to make things more simple.

It's always hard to make a decision

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Weather : Norwich England

I use this and am happy with it,I've looked at your site,how can I access Notams on it?
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Sorry,I've looked back and have now subscribed as silver member,now await to see.
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Hi Lister !

You will see the weather map centered on Norwich here :
MET'MAP - ORBIFLY FLIGHT SCHOOL - IFR ET CPL AMERICAIN EN EUROPE - FAA IFR AND CPL IN EUROPE

If you log into the access as Silver Member, you can also see NOTAMs.
Caution, the NOTAMs database is not always up to date right now (manually updated, still work in progress), that's why you have a warning on the left of the map, but that should be soon done (automatic update expected every 10 mn) and all feedbacks are welcome.

If you often fly to/from Norwich, please add a comment on the Orbiflyers Map !
(accessible once logged in)

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Comments section very useful.. not only for operational info, but practical stuff. For example: availability of bikes, how to pay for fuel, local weather conditions, taxis, method of filing flt plans, good resturants, etc.etc.
Not many comments yet on UK airfields so please take time to put some in. Alexandra intends to translate for some of the French airfields.
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Orbitfly

Just loaded the App on my Computer and IPod. What a super site. Notams are a bonus (although I can't get them on my IPod .
A request; CoulD you add Chivenor (EGDC) to add some coverage to the N Devon coast.
Thanks,
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Hi !

Chivenor was added !
Unfortunately there seems to be no weather broadcasted for this airport.

If you have any other airfield to be added, let me know.

For the iPhone version, we'll make a brand new one as soon as we are done with the web version. For the time being it's still the previous version which is online.

So what's up....

The Notam's Map looks like that :



The colors are linked to the Notams' effective dates.
If you click one airfield you get all Notams in full versions.

If you choose an airfield in the Orbiflyers'Map, you get something like this :



Followed by all comments. You can sort them by category, language...

The above map is coloured according to Metars, such as the METAR map.
But you can also select another colour coding, such as restaurants for example :



If you enjoy someboby's comments, you can also view that person's comments Map, such as this :



Now we just need pilots to add more comments ! Do not hesitate to share your experience with others.

We hope you'll appreciate these tools.

Happy landings

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I spoke to Chivenor yesterday on my way past and although they will give you the latest weather they do not publish it on the met systerm. Shame.
Thanks anyway.
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Yes that's a pity !
Whatever, thanks for the airport, if you have any other ICAO code to be added let me know.

Good news today : we finished the self-synchronizing code so NOTAMs should be OK and up-to-date on the Notams Map (bêta version).

We also extended the NOTAMs' coverage to other countries (Denmark, Poland, Czech republic, etc...).

It's still bêta version but becoming more operational.

Happy landings,

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What you need is a "plain text route entry" box like Flitestar has, into which one can paste a route generated by e.g. FlightPlanPro e.g.

EGHH SAM L620 MID M140 DVR L10 RINTI B3 CMB/N0150F140 B3 RLP G4 HOC L613 RIPUS N850 ODINA M727 SRN L153 PAR L995 FRZ M730 ANC L612 BRD L995 TIGRA LGKR

and it plots this route onto the map, and then you can 'walk' along it to pick off the tafs and metars, etc.
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Alexandra, so far you've only included fields with a MET office, thus for which METARs and TAFs are available.

But NOTAMs can be brought out for any field with an ICAO code (and possibly even for those without) so wouldn't it be easier just to get the AIP from each country and copy&paste the ICAO airfield decode list or something? I mean, instead of dedicating two or three PPRuNe posts to the inclusion of a single airfield?

In any case, for the Netherlands my wish-list for the NOTAM display would now extend to:
EHAL, EHTE, EHDR, EHHV, EHSE, EHHO, EHLE, EHMZ, EHST, EHTL, EHTX, EHBD
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Hi,

Dear IO540, that is a good idea. I already wanted to offer the possibility to get a briefing on a route format, but I did not know how to do something new (I mean, not just another service already available elsewhere).
I'll keep your idea in mind and share it in the team for future developpements.

Backpacker, your dream is already true... :-)
When notams are available in a FIR, all NOTAMs of that FIR are made available, even if the airfield is not in our Met airfields list.
You just have to type the icao code in the box situated at the top right of the notams map and you'll get all NOTAMs broadcasted for that airfield (if any).

That option is maybe not well known as we are still developing the tool, but it already works.

In the (near) future all these ICAO codes will be made available and reported on all maps, and the map will be centered on the point whatever there is a met or not published on site.

And I just added your wishlist : EHAL, EHTE, EHDR, EHHV, EHSE, EHHO, EHLE, EHMZ, EHST, EHTL, EHTX, EHBD.
Juste EHST, I was a bit surprised as it is a 300 meters ultralight grass runway... but it is added whatever :-)
Now you can write comments, humm ? ;-)

Fly safe,

Alexandra
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