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Old 4th Jan 2008, 14:43
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28 day check - logged as P1 or PUT?

When you do a 28 day check can you log it as P1 - I've always logged it as PUT.
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depends on your instructor. I let my students log P1 others don't.

This question will start a 28 page debate, with the hours builders given a million reasons why they are pilot in command and others of us who don't care so we let people log P1 as they are perfectly entitled to.
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Trouble is I will completely ruin my log book if I go back and put it as P1. Also do you do your hours from the Datcon or from when you start the aircraft?
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I would put it as P1. You are qualified on type and not being taught to fly.
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Can I change my log book then? Its going to look very messy. I always write "28 day check" in the comments section but I guess I could log about another three hours as P1.
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Julian??????
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does 3 hours of P1 really make that much difference to you?
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At £400 an hour - yes.
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please tell me why? I have nearly a hundred hours of PUT in my logbook spread across close on 3,000hrs. I don't see your logic that having the hours as P1 gives you any greater value than having PUT hours. Or is it just an ego thing?

Personally I view every moment in an aircraft as a learning experience and flight time is flight time.
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You have 3000 hours - I have about 100 ............do the maths..
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sorry mate I am doing the math and I am still struggling. Flying experience is spoken off in total time not time as P1 and PU2. It makes absolutely no difference.
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You can enter it as whatever you like in your logbook but the CAA will not count it as PIC towards the experience requirement for the issue of a licence or rating.
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Bose-X I guess you are right, I'm going for my CPL and need all the P1 hours I can get, but ultimatlely flying is flying.
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You can enter it as whatever you like in your logbook but the CAA will not count it as PIC towards the experience requirement for the issue of a licence or rating.
wow that came from the outfield and is completely wrong........

P1 or PUT all count in various forms towards licence issue or revalidation.
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Hours Logging

Also do you do your hours from the Datcon or from when you start the aircraft
I thought loggable flying hours commenced from when the a/c starts moving until it later comes to a stop. (i.e. brakes off to brakes on)

Mind you,when taxying an a/c from one club to another club,I have never logged this time (maybe I should?)

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I love this subject. Do you think we can make a 2nd page on this thread?

The best thing to do is to sort it out with the intructor before you fly. if he wants the P1 hours then you don't have a choice unless you want the club currency to lap.

Some clubs will allow select memebers to perform currency checks, again sort it out with them before you fly.

As Bose says it does the odd hour here or there make a difference? I would suggest log it as PUT and make use of the time by asking the instructor to go though things you are not comfortable with or would not feel safe doing when solo.
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I love this subject. Do you think we can make a 2nd page on this thread?
We'll have a go! We could just cut and paste from all times it's popped up before...

There's a load of stuff in LASORS about logging time etc. Unfortunately it doesn't offer advice on this particular. Don't JAA think we need checkouts every now and again?

If I'm just doing an unpaid 28-day circuit check for a friend then I'll let them book P1 and I'll not bother my logbook. If it's at my paid place of work and the customer is paying for a dual check, then they'll be Pu/t and I'll be P1. Hopefully the quality of the advice will be the same.

One thing's for sure; you can't have 2 people booking P1 for the same flight!!!!

Our Group use brakes off - brakes on for total time.

The big school uses airborne + 6 mins each side ( the tech log is in decimal time). This allows me to spend 20 mins with a new student carefully going through the checks without them paying for undue time on the ground, a pretty good deal, I reckon and a good selling point for our school. Of course I only get paid for the time they pay for...

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In an attempt to prevent this running to zillions of pages....

1) You can log it as either P1 or P UT, as already stated.

2) There aren't many instances in which you need P1 hours as opposed to total hours.

3) If you think you do need P1 hours, and want to change them, go through your logbook with tippex (the tape is neatest) and do so. You can do it neatly, and the CAA have never minded loads of tippex and changes in my log book, so I see no rreason why they should in yours.

4) The CAA don't usually get too upset on what you count, whether it's brakes off to on, datcom time, or whatever. Yes, it may make a slight difference, but I've never heard of it being an issue.

Your choice really. And although the question was fine, I suspect the answers will run and run to the point where some of us lose the will to live

Go on then - prove me wrong!
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Logger Heads

If it was purely a club required check flight and you remained in control throughout the flight then you LOG P1. The instructor carrying out their duty as a Flight Instructor observing you may also logs P1. Your flight as you describe it was not such to qualify for a licence or rating. This very old issue was clarified ages ago!
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