TMG Rating from Vigilant
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TMG Rating from Vigilant
I got my PPL in Summer '06, but haven't been using it and am now in the second of the two years. I'm currently on a VGS with just over 100hrs on the Vigilant, and want to use my VGS flying to keep current using a TMG rating. I've had a quick check of the LASORS and these are what I've come away with:
1. The Vigilant IS treated by the CAA as a Grob 109B, and as such, can count as a TMG.
2. With a TMG rating I could satisfy my hours requirement for my SEP(A) using Vigilant hours.
3. With more than 75hrs on the Vigilant I can apply for the TMG rating from the CAA without training/testing on a CofA/PFA TMG.
Am I correct? (Apologies if this is repetition of previous threads!)
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DH
1. The Vigilant IS treated by the CAA as a Grob 109B, and as such, can count as a TMG.
2. With a TMG rating I could satisfy my hours requirement for my SEP(A) using Vigilant hours.
3. With more than 75hrs on the Vigilant I can apply for the TMG rating from the CAA without training/testing on a CofA/PFA TMG.
Am I correct? (Apologies if this is repetition of previous threads!)
Many thanks,
DH
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I do know that if you hold an SLMG rating and have 75hours total SEP which includes 25hrs SLMG you can apply for a TMG rating on either the old CAA or JAR licence. If you do not have the 75hours SEP/SLMG then , as you surmise, 75 hrs on SLMG counts instead. You do not say if you are flying the Vigilant on an SLMG rating or on a service equivalent - if the latter then I would check with the CAA. The TMG rating was, for a short period, added free of charge but I believe that you now have to pay.
Yes - the hours for "revalidation by experience" of your SEP can be done entirely on TMG but remember the requirement to have done a 1 hour training flight with an Instructor and have this signed off in your log book prior to having an examiner revalidate the ratings.
Keep in mind that, as far as I am aware, only hours flown after gaining the TMG rating will count for revalidation as those flown previously would be under your present rating and would not be acceptable for your SEP revalidation.
PS These requirements are likely to change when EASA licensing comes in and you may have to do at least one flight each in an aircraft matching each of the ratings within your licence but this is still in the melting pot and several years away.
I hold both SLMG and TMG ratings on my CAA PPL having obtained the latter free several years ago
Yes - the hours for "revalidation by experience" of your SEP can be done entirely on TMG but remember the requirement to have done a 1 hour training flight with an Instructor and have this signed off in your log book prior to having an examiner revalidate the ratings.
Keep in mind that, as far as I am aware, only hours flown after gaining the TMG rating will count for revalidation as those flown previously would be under your present rating and would not be acceptable for your SEP revalidation.
PS These requirements are likely to change when EASA licensing comes in and you may have to do at least one flight each in an aircraft matching each of the ratings within your licence but this is still in the melting pot and several years away.
I hold both SLMG and TMG ratings on my CAA PPL having obtained the latter free several years ago
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Apologies for the slight tangent, but... if you add a TMG rating to your JAA PPL by passing the flight test with an examiner, does that also revalidate your SEP rating at the same time, so it also runs from two years from the day you pass the test? If not, what do you have to do to get the expiry dates in sync?
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My own experience of this is that the CAA will issued you with a TMG rating with a two year validity which, as you suggest, will not be in sync. with your SEP rating.
Unfortunately the test flight for the TMG rating might not, in my opinion, count as the 1 hour trainng flight with an Instructor as at that point you do not hold a TMG rating. We would need clarification from someone with more knowledge on that point. If it did you could ask the examiner to revalidate you SEP rating on that day - providing it was not less than 3 months prior to its expiry date this would bring the dates more or less into line.
If this suggestion is not practical for whatever reason wait until the first rating is about to expire and then have the examiner revalidate both rating from the same date. Again the second rating should have more than 3 months to run and thus will only be valid for 24 months from the date of signature. (there is no rule as far as I am aware that says that you have to wait until near the expiry date of the rating in order to revalidate it).
I find the official wording of much of the regulations regarding this a bit confusing at times hence I would seek confirmation or otherwise of what I have suggested.
Unfortunately the test flight for the TMG rating might not, in my opinion, count as the 1 hour trainng flight with an Instructor as at that point you do not hold a TMG rating. We would need clarification from someone with more knowledge on that point. If it did you could ask the examiner to revalidate you SEP rating on that day - providing it was not less than 3 months prior to its expiry date this would bring the dates more or less into line.
If this suggestion is not practical for whatever reason wait until the first rating is about to expire and then have the examiner revalidate both rating from the same date. Again the second rating should have more than 3 months to run and thus will only be valid for 24 months from the date of signature. (there is no rule as far as I am aware that says that you have to wait until near the expiry date of the rating in order to revalidate it).
I find the official wording of much of the regulations regarding this a bit confusing at times hence I would seek confirmation or otherwise of what I have suggested.
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If you're a Current B Cat Instructor on Miltary Type ie Vigilant. Then the CAA can credit you with a PPL skills test pass on the TMG class rating
However you still have to have to pay for the rating to be added to the license.
However you still have to have to pay for the rating to be added to the license.
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Thanks all for the swift replies.
I don't have SLMG on my licence, (have been flying the Vig sans CAA as a 'military' a/c), so it looks like I'll need to get the rating. I'm off to CGS soon for my C Cat though - so I'll see if that counts for anything!
SEP expires in September so if I got the TMG rating at the start of summer it should bring them reasonably into sync and still leave plenty of time to get the 12hrs in. Getting the SEP revalidated at the same could work nicely.
I better send the CAA a grovelling letter to enquire...
I don't have SLMG on my licence, (have been flying the Vig sans CAA as a 'military' a/c), so it looks like I'll need to get the rating. I'm off to CGS soon for my C Cat though - so I'll see if that counts for anything!
SEP expires in September so if I got the TMG rating at the start of summer it should bring them reasonably into sync and still leave plenty of time to get the 12hrs in. Getting the SEP revalidated at the same could work nicely.
I better send the CAA a grovelling letter to enquire...
One rating revalidates the other provided that both are current at the time of revalidation. If your SEP has expired, then you can't renew it on the basis of a test on a TMG. A test on a TMG will exempt you from the hour with an instructor on the SEP.
So if you have a valid SEP rating and gain the TMG rating then from that point on, you can keep both current using hours or tests on either Class.
So if you have a valid SEP rating and gain the TMG rating then from that point on, you can keep both current using hours or tests on either Class.
