GA landing fees at Norwich EGSH
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niknak said...
So how does Flash get his 3 quid back then?
The airport development fee of £3 only applies to departing passengers on schedules or IT services
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IO540 - Its at hangar 10 - Anglian Flight Training, but I am obliged to point out that other flying organisations exist in East Anglia.
Skyhawk - if Flash went through the departure lounge he would have been asked to pay, if he refused to pay he would have still got through, if he did pay he wont get his money back, if he was departing via security as an a private pilot he wouldnt have to pay, simple as that.
Lotman1000 - a lot of hot air which is hardly applicable to any pilot or their passengers on this forum, only to passengers using the departure lounge.
Your advice would be better suited to the anti airport lobby web site, most of whose subscribers hold similarly ridiculous opinions and conspiracy theories that it's a secret tax evasion exercise.
Skyhawk - if Flash went through the departure lounge he would have been asked to pay, if he refused to pay he would have still got through, if he did pay he wont get his money back, if he was departing via security as an a private pilot he wouldnt have to pay, simple as that.
Lotman1000 - a lot of hot air which is hardly applicable to any pilot or their passengers on this forum, only to passengers using the departure lounge.
Your advice would be better suited to the anti airport lobby web site, most of whose subscribers hold similarly ridiculous opinions and conspiracy theories that it's a secret tax evasion exercise.
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Niknak
You are right about most of what I said being inapplicable..sorry to all. I'm still steamed up about it and forgot where I was!
However...
that's not what they say at the time.."If you want to go through security and board your aircraft, pay up, if you don't then please leave the airport". Verbatim. It's no use having that refusal option but not telling people it's there; faced with a couple of heavies threatening expulsion people tend to fork out.
The tax question is not a conspiracy theory, it's a question. Is the £3.00 treated as trading income, with VAT being paid on it, or not? Why not just tell us, rather than resorting to abuse? I need to know; if VAT is paid I can claim it back.
You are right about most of what I said being inapplicable..sorry to all. I'm still steamed up about it and forgot where I was!
However...
if he refused to pay he would have still got through
The tax question is not a conspiracy theory, it's a question. Is the £3.00 treated as trading income, with VAT being paid on it, or not? Why not just tell us, rather than resorting to abuse? I need to know; if VAT is paid I can claim it back.
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I can't see any reason why VAT wouldn't be charged on the £3. What Norwich Airport plans to spend the money on is of no relevance to its tax status. It's certainly not exempt from VAT and I doubt it would comply with any zero-rating rules.
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flybe, Norwich airport's biggest commercial customer has just announced that it is cutting all (admittedly only 4) its leisure services flights from Norwich.
Spokesman on BBC local TV tonight said they saw an immediate 10-15% drop in bookings when the £3.00 'development charge' was introduced, taking their flight costings below viability level.
Looks like Norwich have shot themselves in the foot bigtime...............
Cusco; from the land of H5N1
PS why does PPRuNe chop out my paragraph spacing when I post, reducing all postings to one solid, indigestible paragraph? Eh Danny?
Aha: just found the solution: don't 'preview' your post:get it right first time.......
Spokesman on BBC local TV tonight said they saw an immediate 10-15% drop in bookings when the £3.00 'development charge' was introduced, taking their flight costings below viability level.
Looks like Norwich have shot themselves in the foot bigtime...............
Cusco; from the land of H5N1
PS why does PPRuNe chop out my paragraph spacing when I post, reducing all postings to one solid, indigestible paragraph? Eh Danny?
Aha: just found the solution: don't 'preview' your post:get it right first time.......
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Norwich is another jumped up tiny local airport try to play big time.
The will not let you have an intersection take off and make you go through all the crap of terminal in /terminal out and screening which means, as they are quite, you are hassled.
You'll be in Norwich quicker via Old Buck and taxi
I'm off to the Far East next week via Norwich and I going to refuse to pay the
£3.00 surcharge.
The will not let you have an intersection take off and make you go through all the crap of terminal in /terminal out and screening which means, as they are quite, you are hassled.
You'll be in Norwich quicker via Old Buck and taxi
I'm off to the Far East next week via Norwich and I going to refuse to pay the
£3.00 surcharge.
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Can one just ask for a taxi to Anglian Flight Training, without arranging it with them first?
I got an interrogation recently by Bournemouth handling, when I taxied to a certain maintenance company, to meet a friend who uses them and who was parked there. I narrowly escaped paying the handling charge because I did not actually have work done by them.
I got an interrogation recently by Bournemouth handling, when I taxied to a certain maintenance company, to meet a friend who uses them and who was parked there. I narrowly escaped paying the handling charge because I did not actually have work done by them.
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I used to regularly drop off Mrs Stik at NWI for her day job, my last bill put me off - £30! To fly from our strip to Norwich takes about 9 mins - to drive it can take over an hour! It was no longer possible to prebook discounted landing fees for training when I last tried. It is possible to piggy-back onto a regular base operator and receive 60% discount but frankly I'd rather avoid the place and the 6 minute taxi to Alpha hold for 27.
IO540, the area that you need to go to is hangar 12 via D. I have managed hangar 14 via E a couple of times but that just excites Whirly's friends/instructors far too much!! Good wheeze, though!
Flash - you are a dipsh!t. You could have landed your v noisy beast here, shared some of my wine and doggy would have had her own kennel.
Notwithstanding the above, Norwich ATC are amongst the most helpful I have ever come across, Niknak, DSATCO, P, etc.
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IO540, the area that you need to go to is hangar 12 via D. I have managed hangar 14 via E a couple of times but that just excites Whirly's friends/instructors far too much!! Good wheeze, though!
Flash - you are a dipsh!t. You could have landed your v noisy beast here, shared some of my wine and doggy would have had her own kennel.
Notwithstanding the above, Norwich ATC are amongst the most helpful I have ever come across, Niknak, DSATCO, P, etc.
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Originally Posted by StiknUdder
Flash - you are a dipsh!t. You could have landed your v noisy beast here, shared some of my wine and doggy would have had her own kennel.
That being said, if you haven't, and he takes a leak on my helmet bag again, I might just do it myself.....
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All,
Thanks for these replies. Just to be clear, any fuel purchased is handled as an entirely separate transaction (Air BP, I recall) and does not form part of the airport's invoice.
Despite the very useful replies on Development charges and alternative taxy arrangements etc. the fact remains that on first telephone contact the clear message is that the bill will be £45 with no alternative. I for one will not visit under such circumstances and would urge others to do likewise.
That said, it would be a real shame to see the demise of GA at Norwich for want of a simple matter of 'putting the customer first'. But that requires a business ethic of treating folks as valued customers, not as two-legged cash-cows to be fleeced at every opportunity.
Mike
Thanks for these replies. Just to be clear, any fuel purchased is handled as an entirely separate transaction (Air BP, I recall) and does not form part of the airport's invoice.
Despite the very useful replies on Development charges and alternative taxy arrangements etc. the fact remains that on first telephone contact the clear message is that the bill will be £45 with no alternative. I for one will not visit under such circumstances and would urge others to do likewise.
That said, it would be a real shame to see the demise of GA at Norwich for want of a simple matter of 'putting the customer first'. But that requires a business ethic of treating folks as valued customers, not as two-legged cash-cows to be fleeced at every opportunity.
Mike
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Yes sorry ehardon i had to have bandit de-nadgered as he was too much like his owner when he had them...... And you would be amazed how many people asked if i could get a 2 for 1.......
Thanks for the kind offer Stiki will bear u in mind as an alternate, what a cnut for not thinking that in the first place! Forgot you were up here as i am now too sometimes..... We should play more........
Luv
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And you would be amazed how many people asked if i could get a 2 for 1.......Thanks for the kind offer Stiki will bear u in mind as an alternate, what a cnut for not thinking that in the first place! Forgot you were up here as i am now too sometimes..... We should play more........
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I'd echo Stik's comments:
The guys in ATC continue to be superb: although I no longer land there for all the above reasons, I still continue to get an excellent flight information service in my E Anglian bimbles...
Shame about the management.
Safe Flying
Cusco
The guys in ATC continue to be superb: although I no longer land there for all the above reasons, I still continue to get an excellent flight information service in my E Anglian bimbles...
Shame about the management.
Safe Flying
Cusco
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Lotman - no problem and yes, I think that VAT would have to charged as the company is VAT registered, whether or not you'd get a VAT reciept is another matter and I don't know the answer.
The Flybe cuts are no suprise, they went head to head with KLM on the AMS route and have failed to provide competetive prices, the Alicante/Murcia flights were very well patronised but were very expensive at peak times, again they failed to compete with rival operators and the ADF has no bearing on the passenger loads and it's simply a case of them utilising the aircraft on other routes with similar potential but no competition.
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, untrue, which is why we publish TODA/TORA distances from intersections B on Rwy 27 and D on 09, in the UKAIP and all the other up to date publications.
You will not get them unless you ask as it's not our job to encourage pilots to use anything less than every inch of tarmac available for take off.
The only time you may be denied is if you are going to get in the way of someone who will be ready to go before you, or landing traffic which requires the use of that intersection taxiway (usually a helicopter).
Personally, I find the landing fees to GA an embarrasment, I suspect that we never made any real money from GA and if a based operator was willing to provide for all their needs without having to go through the terminal, why not let them do so for the same fees we charged in 2006?
No, I don't know either.
The Flybe cuts are no suprise, they went head to head with KLM on the AMS route and have failed to provide competetive prices, the Alicante/Murcia flights were very well patronised but were very expensive at peak times, again they failed to compete with rival operators and the ADF has no bearing on the passenger loads and it's simply a case of them utilising the aircraft on other routes with similar potential but no competition.
Phil Space said:
They will not let you have intersection take off
You will not get them unless you ask as it's not our job to encourage pilots to use anything less than every inch of tarmac available for take off.
The only time you may be denied is if you are going to get in the way of someone who will be ready to go before you, or landing traffic which requires the use of that intersection taxiway (usually a helicopter).
Personally, I find the landing fees to GA an embarrasment, I suspect that we never made any real money from GA and if a based operator was willing to provide for all their needs without having to go through the terminal, why not let them do so for the same fees we charged in 2006?
No, I don't know either.
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Thought you might be interested - Norwich International managed to lose £411,000 last year following a year with a £294,000 profit.
The £3 fee is worth around £500,000 a year. The low cost deal with FlyBe is blamed for the reduction in income.
How about £500 per GA landing?. It would only need 1,000 of us to be foolish enough to participate and they could be profitable again.
The £3 fee is worth around £500,000 a year. The low cost deal with FlyBe is blamed for the reduction in income.
How about £500 per GA landing?. It would only need 1,000 of us to be foolish enough to participate and they could be profitable again.
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Well I've just been...(sensibly or not)...
Good
-ATC service, very helpful on the way in/on ground (despite my cockup - sorry chaps!) & out
-Being allowed through the 'crew' doors on the main terminal (pax very impressed!)
-Helpful & friendly booking out staff/ground marshallers
Bad
-£45 landing fee
-AirBP not taking debit cards (OK, maybe I should have checked that beforehand, but still. The actual fueller person was helpful though) & having to wait 15 mins for the tanker to turn up.
-Being security checked on the way out (fully; metal detector, shoes etc). I'm sure someone will point out a valid reason for this to me, but at the very least - why check the pilot of a light aircraft for explosives etc? If said pilot wanted to cause death & destruction, surely explosives would be irrelevant)
-Being asked to pay the "airport development fee" (I didn't). Although to be fair, I wasn't sure the member of airport staff tasked to escort us to the aircraft normally deals with the GA side of things.
So overall - nice place, great people, shame about the ridiculous cost.
Good
-ATC service, very helpful on the way in/on ground (despite my cockup - sorry chaps!) & out
-Being allowed through the 'crew' doors on the main terminal (pax very impressed!)
-Helpful & friendly booking out staff/ground marshallers
Bad
-£45 landing fee
-AirBP not taking debit cards (OK, maybe I should have checked that beforehand, but still. The actual fueller person was helpful though) & having to wait 15 mins for the tanker to turn up.
-Being security checked on the way out (fully; metal detector, shoes etc). I'm sure someone will point out a valid reason for this to me, but at the very least - why check the pilot of a light aircraft for explosives etc? If said pilot wanted to cause death & destruction, surely explosives would be irrelevant)
-Being asked to pay the "airport development fee" (I didn't). Although to be fair, I wasn't sure the member of airport staff tasked to escort us to the aircraft normally deals with the GA side of things.
So overall - nice place, great people, shame about the ridiculous cost.
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How about £500 per GA landing?. It would only need 1,000 of us to be foolish enough to participate and they could be profitable again.
