Light Aircraft Crash on Isle of Wight
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They were landing on 23, taking off on 05 when we arrived, unaware of any previous events. It was all quite jolly, as has been posted by another visitor on another forum.
The breeze was quite wafty everywhere in the south yesterday. Having experienced and watched arrivals and takeoffs at a fly-in earlier the only clear thing was that hot, humid weather with little useful wind concentrates the mind.
Enough factors there, even at low level airfields, to keep us humble, whatever the facts were in this sad event.
The breeze was quite wafty everywhere in the south yesterday. Having experienced and watched arrivals and takeoffs at a fly-in earlier the only clear thing was that hot, humid weather with little useful wind concentrates the mind.
Enough factors there, even at low level airfields, to keep us humble, whatever the facts were in this sad event.
"Police name four who died in light aircraft fireball"
-rather confusing as it starts off talking about a helicopter in Cumbria!
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...all/article.do
-rather confusing as it starts off talking about a helicopter in Cumbria!
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...all/article.do
Yes, they have conflated the two accidents into one. Can we ever believe anything printed in the press?
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I'm not entirely sure that the unfortunate victims of the Cumbria heli crash were on their way to shoot pheasants in Scotland either. The pheasant season is closed, and the grouse season has yet to open.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but I have a number of hours in a PA28-140, including having done the whole IR in one so I have actually read the handbook, and if there really were four adults in there, of anywhere near the average "modern British" size, plus any useful fuel, there would have been very little point in doing a W&B calculation....... it would have been massively overloaded. I recall 3 adults and fuel somewhere below tabs = MTOW.
OTOH, if the crash happened 2km after the end of the runway, after the aircraft climbed high enough to clear a building, I don't see how W&B could be the primary cause, because one can get more or less anything into the air if one has enough distance, and once it's flying (out of ground effect) then it's just a case of a slow and gentle climb. There have been cases of massively overloaded transport jets (where the pilots presumably didn't know about density altitude etc) taking many miles to climb a few thousand feet after departure from Heathrow or Gatwick, obviously ending up in Class G.
Unless one is flying into rising terrain, but I have just looked at the 1:50k O/S map of the area and can't see rising terrain beyond about 150ft AAL, on anywhere near the runway 23 heading.
OTOH, if the crash happened 2km after the end of the runway, after the aircraft climbed high enough to clear a building, I don't see how W&B could be the primary cause, because one can get more or less anything into the air if one has enough distance, and once it's flying (out of ground effect) then it's just a case of a slow and gentle climb. There have been cases of massively overloaded transport jets (where the pilots presumably didn't know about density altitude etc) taking many miles to climb a few thousand feet after departure from Heathrow or Gatwick, obviously ending up in Class G.
Unless one is flying into rising terrain, but I have just looked at the 1:50k O/S map of the area and can't see rising terrain beyond about 150ft AAL, on anywhere near the runway 23 heading.
As Whirly said, enough speculation, people.
This is a real bummer of an accident, on a beautiful day, from a super grass airfield.
So, again, let's just wait for the results of the enquiry, eh.
This is a real bummer of an accident, on a beautiful day, from a super grass airfield.
So, again, let's just wait for the results of the enquiry, eh.
The crash site is about the same asl as the airport. There is a significant hill further SW on that flightpath but he didn't get that far.
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I once took a 140 (actually with a 150hp engine) and 4 POB - me - circa 12.5 stones, my dad 8.5 stones (really), my young daughter (5 stones) and a mate (13 stones.) Less than 1/2 tanks, month August, about 22 deg.
We started to roll for a local and I rejected the takeoff as I wasn't happy with the acceleration.
Went back to the flying club, the CFI saw what happened and met me.
Did the perf calcs together and established aircraft 50 lbs under gross.
The CFI insisted on cancelling the time on the aircraft on the basis that he wished to support a safe decision.
Two weeks later, the aircraft suffered a catastrophic engine failure, on the ground.
There are so many unknowns in this accident, god bless all of them.
I often wonder what would have happened if we had continued.
I once took a 140 (actually with a 150hp engine) and 4 POB - me - circa 12.5 stones, my dad 8.5 stones (really), my young daughter (5 stones) and a mate (13 stones.) Less than 1/2 tanks, month August, about 22 deg.
We started to roll for a local and I rejected the takeoff as I wasn't happy with the acceleration.
Went back to the flying club, the CFI saw what happened and met me.
Did the perf calcs together and established aircraft 50 lbs under gross.
The CFI insisted on cancelling the time on the aircraft on the basis that he wished to support a safe decision.
Two weeks later, the aircraft suffered a catastrophic engine failure, on the ground.
There are so many unknowns in this accident, god bless all of them.
I often wonder what would have happened if we had continued.
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“if one has enough distance, and once it's flying (out of ground effect) then it's just a case of a slow and gentle climb.”
Works unless you hit a downdraft in which case you are going to fall out of the sky. There was quite a lot of thermals, lots of air rushing up and down, it could easily have taken him out if the aircraft was over weight or had lost some power.
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Works unless you hit a downdraft in which case you are going to fall out of the sky. There was quite a lot of thermals, lots of air rushing up and down, it could easily have taken him out if the aircraft was over weight or had lost some power.
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I0540 wrote
and if there really were four adults in there, of anywhere near the average "modern British" size, plus any useful fuel, there would have been very little point in doing a W&B calculation....... it would have been massively overloaded. I recall 3 adults and fuel somewhere below tabs = MTOW.
It depends on what weight you put as 'modern British' and what you deem useful fuel is.
I for one have flown a PA28 140, four adults with useful fuel for distance of trip and 45 mins reserve, at MAUW but within W&B envelope.
and if there really were four adults in there, of anywhere near the average "modern British" size, plus any useful fuel, there would have been very little point in doing a W&B calculation....... it would have been massively overloaded. I recall 3 adults and fuel somewhere below tabs = MTOW.
It depends on what weight you put as 'modern British' and what you deem useful fuel is.
I for one have flown a PA28 140, four adults with useful fuel for distance of trip and 45 mins reserve, at MAUW but within W&B envelope.
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Guys, i really don't think speculating over the cause of a tragic accident like this is going to do anyone any good.
I just hope there are as many people who will read and learn from the accident report as there are those who speculate on this forum.
I just hope there are as many people who will read and learn from the accident report as there are those who speculate on this forum.