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I had rather enjoyed talking to with other grown-ups to be honest SkyHawk-N.
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The secret to all ppl exams Gem is RTFQ youve heard it before you know it but its there again for you. There will be at least two that are complete bollocks just take your time it will be no probs for you im sure . The only ones I struggled on were bloody flashing lights from towers alwasy confuse me those , I now have them on my kneeboard , never had to use them but there ya go
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I had rather enjoyed talking to with other grown-ups to be honest SkyHawk-N. Hey I've got my air law exam tomorrow any tips
Also if they start spouting on about weight and mass, and not using SI units make sure you get up, leave and inform the CFI that "up with this I will not put" and send a stiff letter about it to the CAA.
The original debate was over people posting meaningless dross, especially one-liners containing no meaning, and personal attacks,
The secret to all ppl exams Gem is RTFQ youve heard it before you know it but its there again for you
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Quality of posts ?
Never been quite the same since the end of a particular thread concerning headsets of a roseate hue.........
Just kidding. But it helped some and infuriated others.
As for spelling and grammar? Please at least TRY to make an effort - and leave yoof-speak to when yr txtng yr kewel M8s? OK??
Never been quite the same since the end of a particular thread concerning headsets of a roseate hue.........
Just kidding. But it helped some and infuriated others.
As for spelling and grammar? Please at least TRY to make an effort - and leave yoof-speak to when yr txtng yr kewel M8s? OK??
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A newbie here, and a low houred PPL too, so bite me ! 
Hey isn't this a free internet forum ? Shouldn't we all take it with a pinch of salt ?
In my short experience with aviation, airports and flying clubs, I've heard more bitching than you probably would at a hairdresser's (not that I have spent much time in a salon, unfortunately, given the state of my hair)
Flying is fantastic, and so are a lot of people in aviation. As in every community there's a lot of w***ers as well. Opinionated, annoying boring sad gits but no different from what you will find in every walk of life.
People that will give you a hard time for a spelling mistake or a typo.
Threads can be incredibly obnoxious, petty or useless, but every now and again you can read something interesting.
Despite all the crap, we still do it, so there must be some good in it no ?
Fortunately it's free and you can choose what to read.
And what to ignore, like my posts for example
Hey isn't this a free internet forum ? Shouldn't we all take it with a pinch of salt ?
In my short experience with aviation, airports and flying clubs, I've heard more bitching than you probably would at a hairdresser's (not that I have spent much time in a salon, unfortunately, given the state of my hair)
Flying is fantastic, and so are a lot of people in aviation. As in every community there's a lot of w***ers as well. Opinionated, annoying boring sad gits but no different from what you will find in every walk of life.
People that will give you a hard time for a spelling mistake or a typo.
Threads can be incredibly obnoxious, petty or useless, but every now and again you can read something interesting.
Despite all the crap, we still do it, so there must be some good in it no ?
Fortunately it's free and you can choose what to read.
And what to ignore, like my posts for example
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Yes HH exactly ,I think that people like yourselves should be encouraged in your endeavours and not criticized for not being an airline captain. It does seem a lot of people on here do forget their roots and very quickly indeed . I wish I had an easy questioning forum like this when I did my PPL to pick peoples brains with . I am now using an atpl one , bugger is I still dont understand the answers when I get them , still ho hum on we go
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In my short experience with aviation, airports and flying clubs, I've heard more bitching than you probably would at a hairdresser's
Actually that's another good point. GA is renowned for that. I don't know why but it would make a good case study for a Psychology PhD.
It could be because almost everything to do with flying is such a hassle on the ground, compensated only by the pleasure of being airborne. And because so many people are clearly not able to fly as much as they would like....
Actually that's another good point. GA is renowned for that. I don't know why but it would make a good case study for a Psychology PhD.
It could be because almost everything to do with flying is such a hassle on the ground, compensated only by the pleasure of being airborne. And because so many people are clearly not able to fly as much as they would like....
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Anybody else read the killing zone, Sternone put a link up for it. It's the 'pilot personality' you see IO540. Male or female makes no difference - born to bitch, moan, get one over, be determined they are right and their instructor is being picky etc etc. Not sure if any of it is any more true in GA than any other community but the chapter in the book is worth a read and it might go along way to explain things on here - it's a type of person that learns to fly and I guess the banter and digging goes with that personality.
Can you quote any other references that assert this theory?
It goes against everything that I understand about personality.
Can you quote any other references that assert this theory?
It goes against everything that I understand about personality.
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I haven't read that book but have seen so many people mention his #1 plank which is that you will probably die when you reach 200 hours, or whatever it was.
The man should have gone on "Statistics 101". Correlation is no evidence for a causal relationship. There are loads of potential reasons why accidents peak around certain points in the pilot experience. It could be down to the alleged excess confidence or it could be a change in the mission profile. Without analysis one can't say much, and even then the conclusion will still only apply to the population rather than the individual. It's like saying that if you take a certain brand of contraceptive pill you are only 10% likely to get pregnant.
I agree that pilots do bitch rather a lot but let's look at why. Here in Europe there is a great deal of cr*p that any pilot has to deal with on the ground, and there a a lot more cr*p on top of that that any aircraft owner has to deal with on the ground. This, together with the relative lack of utility value in GA etc etc, means that most people chuck it in fast, and that the people who do hang in there tend to be strong determined characters. These people tend to be opinionated (no push-over type will survive in this game for long) and this shows up in pilot forums.
There is nothing wrong with being opinionated! When my children were very small, they used to say "Papa, you know EVERYTHING, don't you?". I used to reply "I don't know everything, but I do have an opinion on everything". 10 years later they get the joke.
The problem with pilot forums is that you get a lot of people who are opinionated but who rarely (if ever) fly. These people have nothing to contribute (except idle chatter) but they still manage to run up 10,000 posts within say 3 years. Everybody else then has to wade through this dross. If this was Usenet, one could killfile them but this can't be done with web based forums - unless somebody writes a custom front end. The Usenet equivalent of Pprune or Flyer forums would have large killfiles and would take just seconds to read - per day. Whereas if you wanted to read the whole of say Flyer you would spend several hours per day in there. Web based forums are a massive step backwards in this respect.
The man should have gone on "Statistics 101". Correlation is no evidence for a causal relationship. There are loads of potential reasons why accidents peak around certain points in the pilot experience. It could be down to the alleged excess confidence or it could be a change in the mission profile. Without analysis one can't say much, and even then the conclusion will still only apply to the population rather than the individual. It's like saying that if you take a certain brand of contraceptive pill you are only 10% likely to get pregnant.
I agree that pilots do bitch rather a lot but let's look at why. Here in Europe there is a great deal of cr*p that any pilot has to deal with on the ground, and there a a lot more cr*p on top of that that any aircraft owner has to deal with on the ground. This, together with the relative lack of utility value in GA etc etc, means that most people chuck it in fast, and that the people who do hang in there tend to be strong determined characters. These people tend to be opinionated (no push-over type will survive in this game for long) and this shows up in pilot forums.
There is nothing wrong with being opinionated! When my children were very small, they used to say "Papa, you know EVERYTHING, don't you?". I used to reply "I don't know everything, but I do have an opinion on everything". 10 years later they get the joke.
The problem with pilot forums is that you get a lot of people who are opinionated but who rarely (if ever) fly. These people have nothing to contribute (except idle chatter) but they still manage to run up 10,000 posts within say 3 years. Everybody else then has to wade through this dross. If this was Usenet, one could killfile them but this can't be done with web based forums - unless somebody writes a custom front end. The Usenet equivalent of Pprune or Flyer forums would have large killfiles and would take just seconds to read - per day. Whereas if you wanted to read the whole of say Flyer you would spend several hours per day in there. Web based forums are a massive step backwards in this respect.
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I agree with Final 3 Greens. It's not something I've ever heard about, nor does it seem to make sense in terms of either personality theory or what I know in practice about pilots. Anyone can write anything - get it in print, and you tend to be believed and it's taken as gospel. I know, I'm a writer and it happens all the time!
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It could be because almost everything to do with flying is such a hassle on the ground, compensated only by the pleasure of being airborne. And because so many people are clearly not able to fly as much as they would like....
That's another thread though and I'm just ranting. I've been here over 3 years, and in all honesty haven't been posting anywhere near what I used to, but that's mainly because my diary thread (3 years old still going
) started to come to a close after I got my ticket. You can't please everyone, and threads like this will continue to pop up for years and years to come
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I like both the PPRUNE and Flyer forums, but for different reasons. I use both as a way of maintaining a connection to aviation during the working week, and for prompting thought about my approach and technique when I am away from the airfield.
I like the sense of community on the Flyer Forum, with it's fly-ins, impromptu gatherings and fast-paced repartee, but PPRUNE has a wider base of experience (perceived or real I am not sure?), and I find the mil forum as a great way of keeping in touch with what the RAF culture is turning into.
I heard a great quote yesterday:
Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one, but they don't tend to show them in public
I like the sense of community on the Flyer Forum, with it's fly-ins, impromptu gatherings and fast-paced repartee, but PPRUNE has a wider base of experience (perceived or real I am not sure?), and I find the mil forum as a great way of keeping in touch with what the RAF culture is turning into.
I heard a great quote yesterday:
Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one, but they don't tend to show them in public
Awesome but Affordable
Wessex Boy - "I heard a great quote yesterday:
Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one, but they don't tend to show them in public"
Some do and some don't............ most of the time anyway.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one, but they don't tend to show them in public"
Some do and some don't............ most of the time anyway.
Cheers,
Trapper 69
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Although I have to say, for what ever reason, this is probably one of the more vicious forum I actually read.
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As has been suggested, these things do tend to be a little cyclic.
But, being an old fart and able to see things from a perspective broader than most, I am inclined to think that there is less to talk about these days than once was the case.
People now have shared experiences of the same legislative and operating restrictions, usually fly one of only three types of generally uninspiring aircraft in largely similar conditions and circumstances and spend more time in discussion of airspace infringements and the like than in actually flying which is not a particularly edifying topic in itself due to generally uninspiring aircraft . . . blah, blah, blah.
This is not necessarily a criticism; just an observation of how things have developed into a regimented blandness. To be asking questions concerning the legality of flying into a private field seems to exemplify this Orwellian condition.
Now if someone were to ask whether the direction of rotation of the Pobjoy had a marked affect on which side to approach slip a Comper Swift, or seek a special technique enabling a Miles Gemini to make a non-porpoising climb out whilst the gear was being pumped up, we would really be cooking with gas . . .
Oh dear, showing my age again.
But, being an old fart and able to see things from a perspective broader than most, I am inclined to think that there is less to talk about these days than once was the case.
People now have shared experiences of the same legislative and operating restrictions, usually fly one of only three types of generally uninspiring aircraft in largely similar conditions and circumstances and spend more time in discussion of airspace infringements and the like than in actually flying which is not a particularly edifying topic in itself due to generally uninspiring aircraft . . . blah, blah, blah.
This is not necessarily a criticism; just an observation of how things have developed into a regimented blandness. To be asking questions concerning the legality of flying into a private field seems to exemplify this Orwellian condition.
Now if someone were to ask whether the direction of rotation of the Pobjoy had a marked affect on which side to approach slip a Comper Swift, or seek a special technique enabling a Miles Gemini to make a non-porpoising climb out whilst the gear was being pumped up, we would really be cooking with gas . . .
Oh dear, showing my age again.
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Miles Gemini....now you're talking!
Saw one for sale recently, very nice!
any views on what they are like to fly/own? Not serious yet, but in 10 years or so maybe? (in my dreams probably)
Saw one for sale recently, very nice!
any views on what they are like to fly/own? Not serious yet, but in 10 years or so maybe? (in my dreams probably)
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Actually that's another good point. GA is renowned for that <bitching>.
Personally I don't care where someone comes from, what they do, or who they are. I had a look around someones hangar in the USA. In his "toy box" were:
A cessna citation
A Jet ranger
A classic ferrari
A brand new ferrari somethingorother
A Mclaren sports car
A Lotus racing car
2 mercedes classic convertibles
A ducati
A T28 warbird
I did feel mildly envious
