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Old 6th Jun 2007, 19:53
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rental in USA with existing validation

Hi

I have a CAA PPL and did some hour building in Florida in 2002.

If I wanted to go back do I need another revalidation certificate from the FAA - before/when I arrive?
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Old 6th Jun 2007, 20:13
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Does your UK/Euro licence number match the licence number printed on your FAA "issued on the basis of" certificate? If so then no re-validation is required. However, I would suggest applying online to change your cardboard US licence for one of the new plastic ones.
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Old 6th Jun 2007, 20:57
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Check the AOPA website regarding insurance. It appears that whatever you do, pay or sign you will be flying uninsured in the USA unless you are a US citizen.
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As above, but remember you still need a BFR within the last two years for your FAA certificate to be valid.
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Nipper2 - first I've heard of that one. Do you have a reference?
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Old 6th Jun 2007, 22:00
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Details in the current issue of General Aviation.

Basically AOPA UK and AOPA US have been unable to get the US Insurance Industry to cover non-US Citizens flying as PIC under the Renters Insurance Policies sold by FBO's. It's a long standing issue apparantly. They'll happily sell you the policy but if you're not a US Citizen it won't pay out.
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Details in the current issue of General Aviation.
Apr 07? Can't see it in the online copy
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Old 7th Jun 2007, 13:28
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Where exactly does it quote this on the AOPA US website?

I am a UK citizen (resident alien) living in California and I have renters insurance with no problem and the questions asked at the time the policy was taken out/renewed never even ask for nationality.

My local FBO require Renters Insurance by all pilots and I have never heard of any instance of any problem when it comes to making any claim.
Because you are a resident......

This applies to visiting holiday-maker type pilots whoa re not US based.
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dunno, about the US website but there is an article on it in this months GA magazine (AOPA UK Magazine). It is something I have been aware off for some time as a member of the AOPA MWG.
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Page 8 of the June General Aviation Magazine:
Hasn't made it to the AOPA-Eur website yet.

I from personal experience feel Mr Robinson in UK AOPA is being unnecessarily alarmist.................
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So if I wanted to rent an aircraft (I already have an FAA certificate from 2002 based on my CAA licence) I would need to send the Certificate of Authenticy to the CAA, wait for it to come back and then send it to the FAA, wait for the response with an updated licence and then just go to a US flight school and do an BFR?

Is this correct?
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Old 8th Jun 2007, 08:32
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As the FAA want people to replace their old paper certs with the new plastic certs, you will need to complete a Cert of Auth as part of that replacement process.
SoCap,

Am I correct in thinking that there is no complusion to change to the new plastic ones? I have a cardboard one and am happy to keep it to save going through the authentitication process again.

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Old 8th Jun 2007, 08:53
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Nope. According to the FAA you have to move to the plastic card. The same is applying to engineers etc.
It's on the FAA website.
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Any idea how long we have before needing to replace them? The search is down on the FAA website, and following links is getting me nowhere useful
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For anyone else that is interested, I've just got off the phone with the FAA Airmens Certification Branch.

There currently is no requirement to replace the cardboard airmens certificate with the new plastic ones, and there is currently no future date by which you must replace your cardboard certificate.

The cardboard one is still valid indefinately, though that may change in the future. (Words like, MAY and CURRENTLY were used a lot in the conversation indicating that this is a current issue and subject to change in the future.)

Replacing the cardboard one with the new plastic ones does involve going though the whole verification of foreign licence procedure, even if you went through it already to get the cardboard one. This obviously involves a trip to a FSDO. However it does not require you to return the cardboard one, so you can continue to use that one until the plastic one is obtained.

I hope that is of some help to anyone else wondering about this issue

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There was a Federal notice published at the beginning of this year asking for comments on a rule change to require everybody to get a plastic card, not sure what happened to it. Might have failed on cost grounds.

So the final word on renter's insurance is you don't have to be a citizen, you don't have to be a resident, you just need to use a US address?
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Old 8th Jun 2007, 18:40
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Slim slag:

Safe flying.

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Old 8th Jun 2007, 20:30
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I am not sure it is as simple as that..............
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Old 9th Jun 2007, 10:51
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The avemco policy covers aircraft of US or Canadian registry being flown by pilots with a US or Canadian certificate. So if the orginial (non cited) article says only US citizens are covered it's already been proven to be speaking b0ll0x.

Citizenship or residency are not mentioned.

Sounds like a load of nonsense to me. If they take your money they are on the hook.
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