Aerobatics Course and beyond
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BackPacker,
Apologies for the pedantry but whilst a C150 might do well enough in a wingover, the same manouevre in a B747 probably would snap off the engine pylons!
One has to be careful about airframes described as "aerobatic". It is a rather meaningless term. For example, the excellent little Airtourer mentioned in my last post was claimed to be fully aerobatic within the placarded limits but I managed to wrinkle some tin in a positive hammerhead. Nobody said it would not go backwards!
Pitts2112,
I would argue against the suitability of any high-wing aircraft. And high aspect ratios don't help either, at least in competition stuff, but can be beautiful to watch. A well executed display in an RF5, for example, can be very balletic.
PPL152, Bongu.
Hal Far has gone. So has that old strip near Xewkija. Luqa has virtually no GA facilities as far as I know. You are rather on your own I suspect.
Have you thought of something in Sicilia or elsewhere in Italy? It certainly is the closest place you are likely to find what you are looking for.
Narak.
Apologies for the pedantry but whilst a C150 might do well enough in a wingover, the same manouevre in a B747 probably would snap off the engine pylons!
One has to be careful about airframes described as "aerobatic". It is a rather meaningless term. For example, the excellent little Airtourer mentioned in my last post was claimed to be fully aerobatic within the placarded limits but I managed to wrinkle some tin in a positive hammerhead. Nobody said it would not go backwards!
Pitts2112,
I would argue against the suitability of any high-wing aircraft. And high aspect ratios don't help either, at least in competition stuff, but can be beautiful to watch. A well executed display in an RF5, for example, can be very balletic.
PPL152, Bongu.
Hal Far has gone. So has that old strip near Xewkija. Luqa has virtually no GA facilities as far as I know. You are rather on your own I suspect.
Have you thought of something in Sicilia or elsewhere in Italy? It certainly is the closest place you are likely to find what you are looking for.
Narak.
BackPacker:
Your recent post is capable of misinterpretation and could mislead the inexperienced. For the avoidance of doubt, an aircraft is either approved for aerobatics or not, and the approved manouevres and limitations will be listed in the flight manual. It's not just a matter of the structural strength.
No responsible pilot would advocate aerobatics in an aircraft that was not so approved; I'm sure this is just down to choice of words.
HFD
Your recent post is capable of misinterpretation and could mislead the inexperienced. For the avoidance of doubt, an aircraft is either approved for aerobatics or not, and the approved manouevres and limitations will be listed in the flight manual. It's not just a matter of the structural strength.
No responsible pilot would advocate aerobatics in an aircraft that was not so approved; I'm sure this is just down to choice of words.
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Hung, that's exactly my point. There's no hard dividing line between aerobatic and non-aerobatic aircraft. Every aircraft has its limitations (listed in the POH) and some aircraft allow more and more aggressive aerobatic manoeuvres to be flown with them than others.
If you're just getting into aerobatics, like PPL152 is, then it should not be that hard to find an aircraft that allows simple, basic aerobatics (as described in the POH). Once you go into competitions, displays, Red Bull air races, whatever, you are going to need something specifically designed for the purpose. An Extra 300 or something.
And even an Extra 300 has limits that need to be observed. Although in most cases, your body will hit its personal limits before the Extra 300 hits its.
If you're just getting into aerobatics, like PPL152 is, then it should not be that hard to find an aircraft that allows simple, basic aerobatics (as described in the POH). Once you go into competitions, displays, Red Bull air races, whatever, you are going to need something specifically designed for the purpose. An Extra 300 or something.
And even an Extra 300 has limits that need to be observed. Although in most cases, your body will hit its personal limits before the Extra 300 hits its.
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Hey fabiensf
Haven't checked with them but been hearing about the Zlin coming for quite some time now. I actually have an appointment with them in a few weeks so I might ask them as well.
Do u know anything about it by any chance?
Haven't checked with them but been hearing about the Zlin coming for quite some time now. I actually have an appointment with them in a few weeks so I might ask them as well.
Do u know anything about it by any chance?
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Seeing as most airspace in the UK seems to be class A, how do you perform aerobatics under VFR? I can't imagine you'd have to go to a class D CTR or CTA to do aeros.
Am I just being really stupid and missing out on something here
Am I just being really stupid and missing out on something here
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Hi Mike,
Not too sure where you're getting that information from but the minority of airspace (outside of airways etc. obviously) is class A - in fact only around very intense areas like Heathrow.
There are plenty of areas of uncontrolled airspace for aeros and GH all over the country even if it does mean a slight transit under a bit of controlled airspace or through it to get there.
Hope that clears things up a little.
CS
Not too sure where you're getting that information from but the minority of airspace (outside of airways etc. obviously) is class A - in fact only around very intense areas like Heathrow.
There are plenty of areas of uncontrolled airspace for aeros and GH all over the country even if it does mean a slight transit under a bit of controlled airspace or through it to get there.
Hope that clears things up a little.
CS
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Sorry, I'm such an idiot, I just realised my mistake! When BackPacker said that you can only fly in controlled airspace with the permission of the ATSU I thought that meant you can only fly aerobatics in controlled airspace! Obviously (or maybe not it would seem!) it means you can fly in controlled airspace if you wish but you must first gain permission from the ATSU in charge.
Thanks Canuck!
Thanks Canuck!
