P1 s?
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From: SE England
Might I take a controversial approach?
Stick it down as whatever you fancy, if the CAA disagree when you next send off your logbook for an endorsement then they will have to tell you what it should go down as. Then you change it. If they say nothing, it's not a problem. Christ, you pay enough money for that piece of paper, why don't you let them do the donkey work?
Cue all the purists....
A38
Stick it down as whatever you fancy, if the CAA disagree when you next send off your logbook for an endorsement then they will have to tell you what it should go down as. Then you change it. If they say nothing, it's not a problem. Christ, you pay enough money for that piece of paper, why don't you let them do the donkey work?
Cue all the purists....
A38
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From: Oxford
I must say I make it a rule when I sit in an aircraft with any other qualified pilot to agree in advance who is PIC on that flight - even if the other pilot is an instructor. A lot depends on whether he is hours building or not - most of the instructors I come across are not, so they usually let me be PIC on any checks required by club rather than legal rules.
I absolutely agree that when the engine quits is no time to be arguing about who is in command. Mind you, with an experienced instructor in the RHS I think that would be my cue to say 'you have control...'
Tim
I absolutely agree that when the engine quits is no time to be arguing about who is in command. Mind you, with an experienced instructor in the RHS I think that would be my cue to say 'you have control...'
Tim
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From: U.K.
Credit where it's due? That's fine when you fly with someone who's on top of their game, but with most PPL's flying the bare minimum of hours to keep their licence valid, then it's rare that the standard you see initially is any where close to being good enough.
That's not being harsh, it's just what I've seen over the past few thousand hours. Great unwashed? Maybe, but when you fly at smallish clubs, that's what happens. Most PPL's can't afford to fly everyday or even every week.
It doesn't make them any "worse" than those who fly more regularily, they just need a bit more support from people like us.
Airbus38, if you know how something should be done, then why waste other people's time by doing it incorrectly.
I never understand what the fuss about this is. It's laid down clearly and I think it's sensible, so why does everyone seem to want to argue about it? So you can get an extra hour or two into your P1 column? Oh please, as a non professional pilot, nobody gives a monkeys about how many hours you have P1.
That's not being harsh, it's just what I've seen over the past few thousand hours. Great unwashed? Maybe, but when you fly at smallish clubs, that's what happens. Most PPL's can't afford to fly everyday or even every week.
It doesn't make them any "worse" than those who fly more regularily, they just need a bit more support from people like us.
Airbus38, if you know how something should be done, then why waste other people's time by doing it incorrectly.
I never understand what the fuss about this is. It's laid down clearly and I think it's sensible, so why does everyone seem to want to argue about it? So you can get an extra hour or two into your P1 column? Oh please, as a non professional pilot, nobody gives a monkeys about how many hours you have P1.
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From: UK,Twighlight Zone
SAS, there we go again, agreeing violently.....
If you read my post I quite clearly state that if they are current and safe and this is an "insurance" check ride then there is nothing for me to do and therefore I am happy for them to be P1 while I watch.
However if they are in need of Instruction then I am commander and it becomes a lesson. You are absolutely right that a lot of pilots require some form of Instruction during something as basic as a check flight. But I also prepared to be flexible and pragmatic enough to give someone who is current and safe the benefit.
I don't know perhaps it's the hundreds of times this has happened (and lack of currency has never been a problem...) to me was the reason I became an Instructor......
If you read my post I quite clearly state that if they are current and safe and this is an "insurance" check ride then there is nothing for me to do and therefore I am happy for them to be P1 while I watch.
However if they are in need of Instruction then I am commander and it becomes a lesson. You are absolutely right that a lot of pilots require some form of Instruction during something as basic as a check flight. But I also prepared to be flexible and pragmatic enough to give someone who is current and safe the benefit.
I don't know perhaps it's the hundreds of times this has happened (and lack of currency has never been a problem...) to me was the reason I became an Instructor......
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From: Midlands
This topic comes up every few months. Who cares if something gets logged p1s when it should have been something else? I recently had my BAFR, the instructor filled in my log P1S, I know this was wrong, but why bother making a fuss. I got the forms signed and sent off, it did not cost me any money and one hour makes no difference to most of us.
Interesting that this topic assumes the instructor will take over in an emergency. In the case of say a PFA two seater the owner may have 100’s of hours on type and the instructor may have never flown anything similar. My friend thoroughly enjoyed this ride with me but had never flown in a Rotax powered aircraft, had no experience with a computer controlled electric c/s prop and was very interested in all the no certified glass. He was very impressed, and wants another go, but it would take a few trips to get him up to speed with the differences.
Rod1
Interesting that this topic assumes the instructor will take over in an emergency. In the case of say a PFA two seater the owner may have 100’s of hours on type and the instructor may have never flown anything similar. My friend thoroughly enjoyed this ride with me but had never flown in a Rotax powered aircraft, had no experience with a computer controlled electric c/s prop and was very interested in all the no certified glass. He was very impressed, and wants another go, but it would take a few trips to get him up to speed with the differences.
Rod1
