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The current situation is that the IMCR is good till 2012. There may be an extension after that - the CAA has made it clear that they will apply to EASA for an extension (some info here ).
The JAA IR is still where it was, no change. A slight reduction to the ground school of (I believe) about 20% was worked out in 2005 and the CAA has stated that it should be activated in late 2009.
There is no published "EASA IR" plan at present but IMHO it will be just the full JAA IR as is it at the time.
Currently there is no credit on the IR from the IMCR training. The only IR which gives you credit for previous instrument training is the FAA IR. But the instrument skills are priceless, so I would definitely do the IMCR now if in doubt.
The JAA IR is still where it was, no change. A slight reduction to the ground school of (I believe) about 20% was worked out in 2005 and the CAA has stated that it should be activated in late 2009.
There is no published "EASA IR" plan at present but IMHO it will be just the full JAA IR as is it at the time.
Currently there is no credit on the IR from the IMCR training. The only IR which gives you credit for previous instrument training is the FAA IR. But the instrument skills are priceless, so I would definitely do the IMCR now if in doubt.
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The JAA IR is still where it was, no change. A slight reduction to the ground school of (I believe) about 20% was worked out in 2005 and the CAA has stated that it should be activated in late 2009.
There is no credit from the IMCR because the training is sub ICAO training and the CAA and EASA have concerns over the consistency of the quality of training.
There is no published "EASA IR" plan at present but IMHO it will be just the full JAA IR as is it at the time.
But back to the subject, I would recommend anyone do the IMCR now as it hones pilot skills and improves safety. Even if the hours do not credit anywhere else you will have improved as a pilot by doing the rating.
It never ceases to amaze me hoe people who involve themselves in flying are always looking to cut corners and get 'credit'. Think of the IMCR as a stepping stone if your desire is to have an Instrument rating and while the hours will not count, so what? They will be valuable learning time.
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Bose, your increasingly strident replies are invariably entertaining, but:
doesn't seem to be quite in line with (from another place):
IMHO it is not in the same realm as the FAA theory.
Surely, after passing the IMCR skills test, it is not unreasonable to expect some credit with respect to a plain vanilla PPL? After all, irrespective of the standard of instruction, a certain level of competence has been demonstrated. To an examiner. Perhaps the CAA and EASA have their doubts about the consistency of their duly appointed examiners.
IMHO, IO540's HO is as valid as your, Not Very HO, and IMHO you should not present that O as fact.
Which bit of IO540's
did you miss?
Clue: look for the "IMHO"
Originally Posted by bose-x
20% is hardly slight, in fact just under one quarter. Slight would be one or two percent.
Originally Posted by bose-x
The changes we are talking about are massive changes in terms of exams, and self study, one of the biggest hurdles in getting a JAA IR. The change effectively puts the JAA theory into the same realms as the FAA theory.
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There is no credit from the IMCR because the training is sub ICAO training and the CAA and EASA have concerns over the consistency of the quality of training.
Originally Posted by bose-x
Your humble opinion accounts for nothing ....
Originally Posted by bose-x
You really are king of disseminating opinion as fact...
Originally Posted by IO540
but IMHO it will be just the full JAA IR as is it at the time.
Clue: look for the "IMHO"
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20% is hardly slight, in fact just under one quarter. Slight would be one or two percent
There is no credit from the IMCR because the training is sub ICAO training and the CAA and EASA have concerns over the consistency of the quality of training.
Blimey was this thread originally well over a year ago
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20% is hardly slight, in fact just under one quarter. Slight would be one or two percent
Now who is exagerating
20% is hardly slight, in fact just under one quarter. Slight would be one or two percent
Now who is exagerating
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Blimey was this thread originally well over a year ago
I think this is the latest news on the slightly reduced IR theory, due late 2009.
Due to EASA timescales, any "EASA IR" is well further out than 2009, IMHO. 2012 seems an likely date because that is the "convergence" year for a lot of the current proposals.
However, the whole matter is mostly political, and any look at the politics surrounding the IR, together with the much smaller likelihood of a major pan-European airspace structure revision, makes it highly unlikely that any "full privilege EASA IR" will be substantially different to the existing one.
The next few years are going to carry a lot of uncertainty.
If I wanted the IR now and was willing to buy a plane (a virtual pre-requisite for airways flight) I would do the FAA IR and then optionally (or if necessary later) follow the ICAO to JAA IR conversion options which are currently very reasonable (well, reasonable in terms of flying; you still have to sit ALL the writtens).
I got the IR over 2 years ago and have had an enormous value out of it. Foreign trips in particular are a piece of cake, relatively to the stunts I was occassionally pulling when limited to "official VFR". I could have just sat on my bum and waited for the new Euro IR which was absolutely "just around the corner" even back then.
Even if EASA does somehow manage to kill off the N-reg scene in 2012 (which is possible but not without very substantial grandfather options for all the bizjet crews etc) that is FOUR more years of great flying for me.
And one day we will all be dead. Nothing in this game is assured.
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It never ceases to amaze me hoe people who involve themselves in flying are always looking to cut corners and get 'credit'. Think of the IMCR as a stepping stone if your desire is to have an Instrument rating and while the hours will not count, so what? They will be valuable learning time.
Does the six pack work in some subetly different way when the driver facing it has an IR?
Given the privileges the IMC rating imparts on the holder how do you thnk the CAA might fair in the event they were to admit after an accident that they considered not only the training but the examination procedure was suspect?
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in fact EASA do have plans for it and are forming the working groups at the moment.
Bose, tell me please how can I get to be on these working groups? How do you get to hear about them all the time, but nobody else seems to. You are always banging on on here and the other place about how hard you work on these groups - I'd like to lighten that load for you by helping out too and to make sure that the opinions of the more humble aviator are heard as to be honest, I don't really like the way you behave on here and it worries me that at these alleged Working Groups you are misrepresenting me. IMHO.
Also, I feel (IMHO) that you owe IO540 an apology for your outburst. In my experience he (I know his real identity by the way, as do you from this place and PPL IR) is always here offering useful hints and tips to less experienced pilots without the need to ram his qualifications/ 1000's of hours flown per week down our throats.
Rant over.
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IO is big enough and ugly enough to look after himself.
Suggest you meet me before you slag off my ability to represent anyone.
Sometimes it's fun just to meddle with the gullible.......
IO is big enough and ugly enough to look after himself.
Suggest you meet me before you slag off my ability to represent anyone.
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
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To be fair to Bose although he loves banging on about his golded plated qualifications (and why shouldnt he, he has worked hard to achieve them, unlike some of us) I think he has the interests of GA generally at heart whether you are from farm strip flying or an airways oxygen head.
Of course there is a danger that because your passion is airways flying your outlook is biased, but this is often unintentional. I suspect were that the case their are others on these committees that add more than a modicum of balance.
I have been lucky to have a go at a range of different elements of GA from aeros and taildraggers to mutli engine and instrument flying. My crusade for the IMC rating was inspired by my background because I realised what a valuable skill the rating provided the abolition of which would have resulted in the death knell of instrument flying in the UK.
I know nothing of your background but you should be encouraged to get involved with these committees. Bose would normally encourage you to do so, but I think he is a bit out of sorts at the moment.
There is a gang of us that have every intention of revisiting our IMC campaign now that the dust has settled on round 1. Its good fun, gets emotions running high, but ultimately a satisfying quest. I would love to have you on the team - if you are interested please send me an email.
In short, Bose is a good enough egg - I have never flown with him, but am looking forward to doing so. Please dont read too much into my comments in reply to the odd one of his, I suspect IO and I are old sparring partners of Bose.
To be fair to Bose although he loves banging on about his golded plated qualifications (and why shouldnt he, he has worked hard to achieve them, unlike some of us) I think he has the interests of GA generally at heart whether you are from farm strip flying or an airways oxygen head.
Of course there is a danger that because your passion is airways flying your outlook is biased, but this is often unintentional. I suspect were that the case their are others on these committees that add more than a modicum of balance.
I have been lucky to have a go at a range of different elements of GA from aeros and taildraggers to mutli engine and instrument flying. My crusade for the IMC rating was inspired by my background because I realised what a valuable skill the rating provided the abolition of which would have resulted in the death knell of instrument flying in the UK.
I know nothing of your background but you should be encouraged to get involved with these committees. Bose would normally encourage you to do so, but I think he is a bit out of sorts at the moment
.There is a gang of us that have every intention of revisiting our IMC campaign now that the dust has settled on round 1. Its good fun, gets emotions running high, but ultimately a satisfying quest. I would love to have you on the team - if you are interested please send me an email.
In short, Bose is a good enough egg - I have never flown with him, but am looking forward to doing so. Please dont read too much into my comments in reply to the odd one of his, I suspect IO and I are old sparring partners of Bose.
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Originally Posted by bose-x
Sometimes it's fun just to meddle with the gullible.......
Real people have made real decisions (important to them, if not to you), based upon information promulgated here. A significant amount of that information has been posted by your goodself.
Are you saying that your categorical statements to the effect that a more accessible IR was imminent was meddling "with the gullible....... "?
Whatever, given the outcome, it is apparent that "meddling with the gullible" has been the strategy of the "Authority", in order to deal with those who are so naive as to presuppose that the "Authority" deals in good faith.
Through your own experience, you will, by now, have worked out that it does not.