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Old 13th Dec 2006, 16:11
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Originally Posted by Fake Sealion
I too have heard of NPPl's eventually being able to fly in non-UK airspace. Anyone know more of this?
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EASA is proposing a standardised Europe wide Recreational Private Pilots Licence RPPL and it is based on the NPPL.
In the brave new world suggested by EASA the RPPL would be recognised in all Member States
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Old 13th Dec 2006, 16:41
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“I too have heard of NPPl's eventually being able to fly in non-UK airspace. Anyone know more of this?”

In the old days the micro licence was not recognised by other European states. So many people applied for permission to fly in French airspace that the French issued blanket permission.

Several NPPL (SEP) holders have applied and allegedly got permission to fly, so this is looking hopeful.

The RPPL, now renamed the EPPL could be a big step forward. The PFA have a hope that we will be able to teach people in permit airfields from unlicensed strips this would massively reduce the cost and increase the numbers.

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Old 13th Dec 2006, 17:05
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Thanks all for your answers. I don't feel so out on a limb now in choosing this route. Fake Sealion I have read a posting somewhere on this site from someone who had written to Eire CAA and they were happy to accept NPPL. I like that as although I have no interest in going "foreign " I could be interested in a trip to Ireland.

Cheered up now. Today was the 5th lesson cancelled by these winds. I have a booking every day next week whilst on holiday. Surely once I can get my feet of the ground!
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Another option might be an FAA PPL?

They are also valid forever, and my FAA class 2 (commercial) medical cost me just $60!

I am almost certain (someone here will no doubt confirm) that you can use it to fly day VFR in a 'G' reg aircraft IN THE UK. If you wanted to fly further afield, you can hire an 'N' reg aircraft and go where you like!

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Originally Posted by tmmorris
and as long as that's the case, then the NPPL(M) would be fine. I'd do the same if I didn't want to actually get to places..!
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If you didn't want to actually go places.....!
How about from Ireland to Prague and back in a weekend via a couple of other European countries for a spot of Site-seeing for the fun of it... in a microlight, burning less than 10 Litres P/H of Mogas, on a licence THAT is valid in other European countries, on a medical that is peanuts...... Then I suppose our low energy/lightweight plastic toys are back in the dark ages......... NOT.
You can go places VFR on a cost that makes sence in a plane that out performs almost anything out there on a like for like basis.
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Originally Posted by jonkil
If you didn't want to actually go places.....!
How about from Ireland to Prague and back in a weekend via a couple of other European countries for a spot of Site-seeing for the fun of it... in a microlight, burning less than 10 Litres P/H of Mogas, on a licence THAT is valid in other European countries, on a medical that is peanuts...... Then I suppose our low energy/lightweight plastic toys are back in the dark ages......... NOT.
You can go places VFR on a cost that makes sence in a plane that out performs almost anything out there on a like for like basis.
Im sure the NPPL M allows microlights, to fly into Europe, however I think I read somewhere, that Ireland and Norway, don't recognise microlights ! I might be wrong here, anyone with better knowledge ?
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Old 18th Dec 2006, 17:40
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I am based in Southern Ireland.
My NPPL(M) (to be legal) must be validated by the IAA.
This means a class 2 medical, the RT licence and a 80 euro annual fee and this will validate the licence completely for use in Ireland.... This may be going to change as the powers that be are looking at the possibility of recognising the UK NPPL Licence.
The NPPL(A) cannot be used at all in Ireland.... they will not recognise it.
No problem RE: Microlights..... My plane is on the British Registration.

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Then I suppose our low energy/lightweight plastic toys are back in the dark ages......... NOT.
Not at all what I said. In fact, I've commented elsewhere about the bureaucratic nonsense which means all the interesting developments in light aviation are stuck in a PFA or BMAA day VFR only regime. I'm jealous of the aircraft, to be honest. But...

You can go places VFR on a cost that makes sence in a plane that out performs almost anything out there on a like for like basis.
Ah yes, but not at a date and time of your choosing. And as I fall firmly into the modern category of 'cash-(relatively) rich, time-poor' I need to be able to go when I have the time and the need. And that's where the IMCR/IR come in.

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Tiggermoth :
I'd imagine if you live in the North then you'd not be very likely to fly abroad anyhow, so the UK-only restriction (apart from reciprocal agreements with certain countires) probably isn't much of a problem.
Don't be so sure, Tigger : some of us have been as far as Sheffield, and there's a flying club legend that one of the lads even went to Popham once : only they couldn't understand him on t'radio, so he didn't stay ...

Eeee bah gum, tha's a funny view o't'world, lad ...

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Originally Posted by FullyFlapped
Tiggermoth :

Don't be so sure, Tigger : some of us have been as far as Sheffield, and there's a flying club legend that one of the lads even went to Popham once : only they couldn't understand him on t'radio, so he didn't stay ...

Eeee bah gum, tha's a funny view o't'world, lad ...

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As far as Sheffield?! Blimey lad, that going a bit far - but Popham even? Are you sure they got as far as Popham (and got back in one piece too?).

The weather is so bad up here that we can't even get past the cloud to even think of going far.

Popham, though, I'll hopefully (just one day perhaps) make it as far as that, and write a book about it !
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