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Old 11th Oct 2006, 18:53
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Plane Crashes In Manhattan

Plane Crashes In Manhattan

72 st and York st

top of skyscraper

possibly small plane or helicopter

fire and smoke at top of building.
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Old 11th Oct 2006, 18:55
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AP saying "small plane " has hit building in Manhattan ....nothing further
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anyone with info, please post
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Oct 11, 2:56 PM EDT

Plane crashes into Manhattan building

NEW YORK (AP) -- A plane crash has been reported on Manhattan's Upper East Side. Video from the scene shows at least three apartments in the high rise fully engulfed in flames.

Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT
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Old 11th Oct 2006, 19:10
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top of skyscraper, now middle floor
possibly small plane or helicopter
fire and smoke at top of building.

72 st and York st.

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FAA says small GA plane multi engine


near top floors

2 - 4 window fire on 2 stories

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The damage is certainly not a large plane.

It did not damage any external concrete !!

4 windows fully on fire.

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NORAD was not aware (CNN) of aircraft problem
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according to cnn - its a multiengine small plane - fire is over 2 floors - its contained in what looks like 2 x 2 windows
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Old 11th Oct 2006, 19:16
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possibly 50 story Bel-Aire.
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Eye witness on tv has just said she saw a small four seater fixed wing "doing acrobatics" just prior to the event which has confused reports for the moment. She didn't say she saw it hit. She wanted to make it plain it wasnt a helicopter. BBC are now reporting the FAA view that it was FW. Is it still permissible to fly a small FW at low level VFR in this area of NY? It used to be a constitutional right to fly up and down within the (tight) confines of the Hudson River, but has that now been repealed?
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NORAD scrambling jets !!! precautionary

at least 2 dead

flames under control

people trapped

KJFK 111851Z 07011G19KT 8SM OVC015 18/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01780133

near east river near LGA

flights below 1000 ft VFR and no control.

near limit of hozintal and vertical control zone

was not in comm with CZ

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pilot witness reports plane banking heavily to the left at 3pm and could have been out of control possibly trying to do 180 to
LGA

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Old 11th Oct 2006, 19:52
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Oh my.

I grew up in the neighborhood.

Even before 9/11, the entire city would occasionally be subject to flight restrictions due to Presidential or some other dignitary travel. This historically would result not only in significant airspace restrictions, but sometimes temporary closing of entire airports such TEB, HPN, etc. Most often, the northern part of the Hudson River VFR Corridor, extending further north than the Indian Point nuclear reactor, becomes part of the blanket TFR provisions.

There are several large sports stadiums in and around NYC. In example, Yankee Stadium is located in the Bronx, southeast of the George Washington Bridge. Because of the number of people attending these events, TFRs are generally in place an hour before and after events ~ but it's always necessary to check NOTAMS as this can vary.

There is no safe place to land in New York City.

There are some old piers projecting out into the Hudson River and New York Harbor, on both the city and New Jersey side, that seem empty. It's impossible to know how stable they are. There are some large parking lots, full of cars. Basically, if you have to put it down you're going into the water or... The Hudson is a tidal river and the currents can be stong. Swimming is a doubtful option. Central Park is surrounded by tall buildings, any approach would be steep.

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pilot witness reports plane banking heavily to the left at 3pm and could have been out of control possibly trying to do 180 to LGA.

half of plane fell to the ground.

We can see long burn marks along wall of building below impact.

some windows of corner of building fully open with curtains flapping in the wind

Concierge can't get to some people on 41st floor

1 fatality confirmed
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VFR in NYC

There are still VFR corridors down the Hudson and the East River. A lot of it is below 1000 feet. I don't have the chart in front of me but I'm pretty sure there is no SVF
Looking at todays WX
KEWR 111851Z 08008KT 7SM OVC017 18/13 A2987 RMK AO2 SLP114 T01830133
KLGA 111851Z 10013KT 9SM OVC018 18/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01830128
KJFK 111851Z 07011G19KT 8SM OVC015 18/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP118 T01780133
Sorry - don't know how to get past dated METARS
So far what I've heard on TV has being fairly reasonable. Fox has a Weather man who is a pilot provide some reasonable commentary.
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Originally Posted by late developer View Post
Eye witness on tv has just said she saw a small four seater fixed wing "doing acrobatics" just prior to the event which has confused reports for the moment. She didn't say she saw it hit. She wanted to make it plain it wasnt a helicopter. BBC are now reporting the FAA view that it was FW. Is it still permissible to fly a small FW at low level VFR in this area of NY? It used to be a constitutional right to fly up and down within the (tight) confines of the Hudson River, but has that now been repealed?
It was permissable as of this morning. Sigh.
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Old 11th Oct 2006, 20:14
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2 confirmed dead

belaire condominiums built in 1988
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I live just a few blocks from the scene and was able to get video from the rooftop of my building.....its pretty crazy....tons of ambulances, fire trucks, and helo's all over .....massive gridlock in the streets.....godbless those that died if it was indeed an accident.
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Cirrus involved

Latest is the plane involved was an SR-22 out of Lakeland FL.
Plane had departed TEB. Both dead believed to be from the aircraft. No confrimation of any casualties on the ground which is pretty amazing.
This is not good for GA.
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Originally Posted by AcroChik View Post
Please, oh, please. For some of us, this is echos of trauma. Try to keep politics out of it. Please.
I agree, although it is inevitable that the Hudson River Corridor (qv.) will once again be under political "review". There are TFRs whenever an event (football game etc.) is on and for various other reasons at other times.
While this hopefully is not terrorism, I expect a lengthy TFR immediately probably followed by outright closure. The class B starts at 1100AGL which doesn't give much room for error, sadly demonstrated today .
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I am in Manhattan, and was just coming out of a bar on 52nd and 2nd having watched Croatia demolish England to see a stream of emergency response vehicles heading north. My immediate thoughts were that something major had happened.

TV now reporting that the Cirrus? single engined aircraft is recorded as being owned by a NY Yankee? baseball pitcher - Corey Lidle? I think they said. No suggestion of occupants however.
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From the NYT

An aircraft crashed into a residential high-rise building on New York City’s Upper East Side this afternoon, igniting several apartments before pieces of the aircraft crashed to the ground, the police and witnesses said.

Keith Bedford/Reuters
The aircraft struck 524 E. 72nd Street, a 50-story condominium tower.

The New York Times
A small aircraft hit an upper floor of the Belaire Condo building at 524 E. 72nd. St.

Police officials said two bodies were found on the ground, possibly passengers or crewmembers from the aircraft, but the authorities are just beginning their investigations. There are no reports of any injuries yet.

A Fire Department spokeswoman, Emily Rahimi, told The Associated Press that the aircraft struck the 20th floor of the building, 524 E. 72nd St., near York Avenue. However, television reports and witnesses said the aircraft hit closer to the 40th floor. That building and one next door were evacuated, police said.

The authorities have not said whether the aircraft was a small airplane or a helicopter.

Television views of the fire showed flames shooting out of four windows and smoke that streamed up into the sky, visible for miles. The building is a 50-story condominium that was built in 1986, The A.P. said, and has 183 apartments. Many of the lower floors held offices for doctors and other professionals.

The crash interrupted the routine of an urban afternoon that consisted of construction work inside the building, doctor’s appointments and came at the end of the school day for nearby students.

Kim Quarterman, 50, a doorman at 411 E. 70th St., said he head a noise about 2:45 p.m. "It sounded like a truck gearing down," he said. "You know how a truck sounds when it’s trying not to hit something? Then I saw a cloud of smoke."

After that, he picked his daughter, Chablis Quarterman, 13, at a nearby school.

"My dad and I tried to get as close as we could, but by then, all you could see was smoke," she said.

Samuel Klotman, 17, was on the roof of his school nearby with classmates when they saw the plane coming down.

“I could see through the buildings what I thought was a plane headed to this building,” he said. “Then there was a booming noise and a great fire gust shooting out.”

He said he and his classmates started text messaging and calling everyone they knew, “wondering what was happening,” and the school let everybody go home.


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