Ravenair crash? (Barton) MikeLima
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Ravenair crash? (Barton) MikeLima
Anybody know anything of the incident at Barton the other week?
The thing I heard was that it didn't take off and the wing fell off.
It was a Tommahawk.
Hope nobody was hurt. I see that G-ML is not there at the moment, so it doesn't sound like it fared too well.
The thing I heard was that it didn't take off and the wing fell off.
It was a Tommahawk.Hope nobody was hurt. I see that G-ML is not there at the moment, so it doesn't sound like it fared too well.
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From a (usually) reliable source: It was ML, it seems like the aircraft never left ground-effect, cleared the hedge at the end of 09L but hit a tree. Two occupants shaken but unhurt. A/C a sad sight at the back of Maint, a writeoff. It's a great shame, I had an hour in ML a few weeks ago and enjoyed the experience immensely. Happily both walked away though.
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gcolyer wrote:
WTF has the wing life limit on a T'Hawk got to do with this accident? Did they fall off during takeoff?
I suppose a/c with a Public Cat CofA have engine failure the moment the engine hours reach 2400!
Please explain the reasoning behind your statement old chap!
Don't traumahawks have an hour limit on wings?
I suppose a/c with a Public Cat CofA have engine failure the moment the engine hours reach 2400!
Please explain the reasoning behind your statement old chap!
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I'm glad to hear that nobody was hurt. I'm sure that really shook them up.
I wonder what the weather conditions were?
I'm not sure, did the wing fall off or is it just a chinese whisper? (which I seem to have started on thhsi thread btw, sorry). Naturally if it hit something off the runway or something then I'd forgive the poor machine for dropping a wing.
It's a credit to the poor Tommahawk that the occupants have walked away from it.
I wonder what the weather conditions were?
I'm not sure, did the wing fall off or is it just a chinese whisper? (which I seem to have started on thhsi thread btw, sorry). Naturally if it hit something off the runway or something then I'd forgive the poor machine for dropping a wing.
It's a credit to the poor Tommahawk that the occupants have walked away from it.
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gcolyer wrote:
WTF has the wing life limit on a T'Hawk got to do with this accident? Did they fall off during takeoff?
I suppose a/c with a Public Cat CofA have engine failure the moment the engine hours reach 2400!
Please explain the reasoning behind your statement old chap!
WTF has the wing life limit on a T'Hawk got to do with this accident? Did they fall off during takeoff?
I suppose a/c with a Public Cat CofA have engine failure the moment the engine hours reach 2400!
Please explain the reasoning behind your statement old chap!
I do believe one should calm, you might burst a vain ole chap
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My apologies for not reading the first post which "suggested" that the wings fell off but no apologies for my comments about gcolyer's unhelpful statement where he raisied the issue of the T'Hawks wing life limit.
I know T'Hawks are an aircraft that can bring out the worst or best in people but the fact remains that the safety record of this aircraft type is second to none (notwithstanding pilot induced incidents).
The facts of the Barton incident will eventually become public knowledge when the AAIB publish their report but I can categorically state that it will show that structural failure played no part in the cause of the accident whatsover, as I made it my business to make enquiries into the facts of the incident.
By all means draw your own conclusions about what was the cause of this accident but human nature being what it is, many of you will continue to draw conclusions (usually all the wrong ones) and tell the world about them.
Incidentally, those of you that are interested in facts rather than spurious statements, may be interested to know that in all cases where the FAA approved wing life extension modification has been installed in US T'Hawks (over 30 to date), no corrossion, delamination or cracks have been found in the wing structure. Bearing in mind that the majority of these aircraft had over 10000hrs on the airframe and many if not all were from flight schools or had spent the majority of their lives in the hands of students, I think the lack of any stress related problems in the wing structure, is testimony to their rugged construction.
and yes, I do own a T'Hawk (10600hrs) which I fly out of my extremely rough farm strip and despite my previous ownership of homebuilt and vintage types which were more at home on farmstrips, I am still amazed at how rugged and forgiving the T'Hawk can be when subjected to worst possible scenarios.
I'd better get outside and give my T'Hawk it's daily hug!
p.s. my "veins" are fine, more than can be said for the health of your spellchecker, old chap!
I know T'Hawks are an aircraft that can bring out the worst or best in people but the fact remains that the safety record of this aircraft type is second to none (notwithstanding pilot induced incidents).
The facts of the Barton incident will eventually become public knowledge when the AAIB publish their report but I can categorically state that it will show that structural failure played no part in the cause of the accident whatsover, as I made it my business to make enquiries into the facts of the incident.
By all means draw your own conclusions about what was the cause of this accident but human nature being what it is, many of you will continue to draw conclusions (usually all the wrong ones) and tell the world about them.
Incidentally, those of you that are interested in facts rather than spurious statements, may be interested to know that in all cases where the FAA approved wing life extension modification has been installed in US T'Hawks (over 30 to date), no corrossion, delamination or cracks have been found in the wing structure. Bearing in mind that the majority of these aircraft had over 10000hrs on the airframe and many if not all were from flight schools or had spent the majority of their lives in the hands of students, I think the lack of any stress related problems in the wing structure, is testimony to their rugged construction.
and yes, I do own a T'Hawk (10600hrs) which I fly out of my extremely rough farm strip and despite my previous ownership of homebuilt and vintage types which were more at home on farmstrips, I am still amazed at how rugged and forgiving the T'Hawk can be when subjected to worst possible scenarios.
I'd better get outside and give my T'Hawk it's daily hug!
p.s. my "veins" are fine, more than can be said for the health of your spellchecker, old chap!
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A) T'Hawks have a wing life span
b) It is reported that the wing fell off
So if the wing did fall off was the life limit reached or pretty close.
Merely an inquizative thought
You must make a fortune out of Aircraft Investigation. You already know the answer before the inspection!!
Cor blimey it is amazing how one sentance can turn in to a B**ching match.
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No the wing did not fall off, both where still attached when it came in contact with the ground.. thats all i am saying Pm if you really want to know more.. Otherwise lets wait for the report 
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And if you know any more - why not share with everyone else?
There have been enough threads on this 'Rumour' based forum questioning why we should wait for 'the professionals' to produce their report and I understood the concensus (spelling?) was that a bit of speculation and conjecture was helpful if it made you think just a little bit...............
For example if you 'knew' that the Tommy was at full weight and was attempting a take off in long wet grass in nil or marginally down wind conditions then there is no harm in you telling us all that because it may just make us think twice when the majority of readers on this forum will probably have forgotten all about the accident by the time the AAIB report comes out and in any case spend more time reading these 'hot' forum reports than they do reading 'cold' AAIB reports written months after the event.
Come on share your knowledge - you may just prevent a similar accident today or tomorrow by sharing your knowledge and making us think a little harder before we hit the firewall next time.
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Wet and boring.
Had a panic attack when a Cirrus flew over (thought it may be a T'Hawk with potentially loose wings) but realised my mistake and went back inside to watch Neighbours followed by Doctors then "Up Periscope" but decided I'd better do some housework before the "boss" gets home.
Retiring at 50 ain't a breeze after all!
So, did you ever find your gaff in Bristol or are you still living under the Clifton suspension bridge in a cardboard box?
Had a panic attack when a Cirrus flew over (thought it may be a T'Hawk with potentially loose wings) but realised my mistake and went back inside to watch Neighbours followed by Doctors then "Up Periscope" but decided I'd better do some housework before the "boss" gets home.
Retiring at 50 ain't a breeze after all!
So, did you ever find your gaff in Bristol or are you still living under the Clifton suspension bridge in a cardboard box?
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I found a gaff 15 miles south of Bristol. It was perfect until Bristol extended its airspace. Now i am on the boundry of it!! That means if i wanted to land in one of the fields on the farm I have to talk to Bristol.
So what made you pick a T'hawk?
I flew the oldest T' Hawk in the UK when i first started to learn to fly... it was G-OATS up at Tollerton. For a T'Hawk it had a great climb rate. I heard that someone wrote it off last year...i think with a hefty tail strike. But it's ok the wings stayed attached.
So what made you pick a T'hawk?
I flew the oldest T' Hawk in the UK when i first started to learn to fly... it was G-OATS up at Tollerton. For a T'Hawk it had a great climb rate. I heard that someone wrote it off last year...i think with a hefty tail strike. But it's ok the wings stayed attached.
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Why a T'Hawk? Quite simply when I went to look at it, the guy selling it told me he had named it Isabel. My late ma-in-law was named Isabel and based on the theory that her soul may inhabit the aircraft and she would look after me, I bought it. It was cheap as well!
That's the honest truth!
So just gave the guy the brown envelope and flew her home from Panshanger. I'd never flown a Tommy before that flight, so the 45 min fllight home gave me time to get to know her. Did you know that the tail of a Tommy doesn't fall off during a spin and they roll as easily as most other spamcans.
With the right load and some wind on the nose I can get away with using less than half of my 600m strip and despite what others and the book says, elevator authority can be had from as low as 15-20kts which is handy for getting the nose wheel off the rough ground ASAP.
I did hear about G-OATS which was a shame but the more that go to the scrap yard, the more spares there are.
That's the honest truth!
So just gave the guy the brown envelope and flew her home from Panshanger. I'd never flown a Tommy before that flight, so the 45 min fllight home gave me time to get to know her. Did you know that the tail of a Tommy doesn't fall off during a spin and they roll as easily as most other spamcans.
With the right load and some wind on the nose I can get away with using less than half of my 600m strip and despite what others and the book says, elevator authority can be had from as low as 15-20kts which is handy for getting the nose wheel off the rough ground ASAP.
I did hear about G-OATS which was a shame but the more that go to the scrap yard, the more spares there are.
