FAA Class 1 to JAA Class 1 conversion?
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FAA Class 1 to JAA Class 1 conversion?
Aviation rumour has it that such a conversion is possible under the provisions of ICAO - and it is alleged that the UK CAA really hate it (unsuprisingly) and it is a long and difficult process as a result.
Both the above medicals meet ICAO requirements for commercial air transport.
Alternatively, an FAA Class 1 may count as the initial Class 1, and then one can do a renewal in JAA land.
Does anybody know anything about this?
Both the above medicals meet ICAO requirements for commercial air transport.
Alternatively, an FAA Class 1 may count as the initial Class 1, and then one can do a renewal in JAA land.
Does anybody know anything about this?
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Alternatively, an FAA Class 1 may count as the initial Class 1, and then one can do a renewal in JAA land
A friend of mine did the JAA Class 1 while holding an FAA ATP / Class 1 and I *believe* some of the tests were omitted, though he still did it at Gatwick.
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For a normally healthy person, AFAIK, the main "killer" difference between an FAA Class 1 and a JAA Class 1 is that the former has the audiogram, where both your ears have to be within specified limits at each of four frequencies (the two ears are tested separately).
A lot of people fail this test on one ear; probably most old airline pilots would fail it on both ears but they are OK because the renewal limits are a lot easier.
The JAA audiogram appears pointless because somebody who can't hear well enough to operate a plane would instantly fail the FAA hearing test. Also we don't see U.S. 747s plummetting everywhere.
I have "bumped" into several people who reported working on a conversion process but never heard any more.
A lot of people fail this test on one ear; probably most old airline pilots would fail it on both ears but they are OK because the renewal limits are a lot easier.
The JAA audiogram appears pointless because somebody who can't hear well enough to operate a plane would instantly fail the FAA hearing test. Also we don't see U.S. 747s plummetting everywhere.
I have "bumped" into several people who reported working on a conversion process but never heard any more.
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http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...s+1+conversion
Likewise.
The idea is (as I understand it) is that they will consider people with an FAA CPL/ATPL and class 1 under the renewal criteria rather than the initial.
Might make a difference for some.
Likewise.
The idea is (as I understand it) is that they will consider people with an FAA CPL/ATPL and class 1 under the renewal criteria rather than the initial.
Might make a difference for some.
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Well, that is if you meet the JAR class 1 renewal criteria.
Here you go, the flow diagram from the horse's mouth:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED...CPL_Feb-05.pdf
Here you go, the flow diagram from the horse's mouth:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/49/SRG_MED...CPL_Feb-05.pdf
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I've just been to LGW for my initial JAA Class 1 and told the receptionist that I have an ICAO CPL (it's FAA). The CAA relieve you of £250 approx to do this, instead of approx £360.
However, there is a small loophole in that I never had to show my FAA Class 1, just my FAA airmans certificate. Infact I don't own an FAA Class 1 because to CFI you only need a Class 2.
However, there is a small loophole in that I never had to show my FAA Class 1, just my FAA airmans certificate. Infact I don't own an FAA Class 1 because to CFI you only need a Class 2.
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so if I get an faa class 1, I can then get a jaa class 1 by renewal? wow.....
Only if you get yourself an FAA CPL first.
I happen to know, from more than one occassion, that the CAA are exceedingly economical with the information that this is possible, never disclosing it themselves.
This looks like a damn good reason for getting an FAA CPL as an insurance policy against the future. There are very few things for which an FAA CPL is useful in the UK (due to ANO Art 140; the ban on aerial work).
This method opens the way to a JAA CPL/IR or a PPL/IR, for people who fail the JAA Class 1 initial but pass the JAA Class 1 renewal; true for many people with one out of spec ear for example.
Only if you get yourself an FAA CPL first.
I happen to know, from more than one occassion, that the CAA are exceedingly economical with the information that this is possible, never disclosing it themselves.
This looks like a damn good reason for getting an FAA CPL as an insurance policy against the future. There are very few things for which an FAA CPL is useful in the UK (due to ANO Art 140; the ban on aerial work).
This method opens the way to a JAA CPL/IR or a PPL/IR, for people who fail the JAA Class 1 initial but pass the JAA Class 1 renewal; true for many people with one out of spec ear for example.
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Only if you get yourself an FAA CPL first
What is the difference an "Extended UK JAR class 1 renewal" and an "Initial UK JAR Class 1 examination"?
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Ah, I think I've just found the answer:
This consists of a full initial JAR
Class 1 examination, less the
electroencephalogram (EEG) and the
chest X-ray. The examination will be
to JAR revalidation/renewal
standards.
Class 1 examination, less the
electroencephalogram (EEG) and the
chest X-ray. The examination will be
to JAR revalidation/renewal
standards.
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I had an ECG at my class 2 initial....why the change of heart (
)? I don't believe the FAA do any ECG's nowadays. They don't really show anything, a friends dad had an ECG due to chest pains on a saturday, it was totally normal. On sunday he died of a massive heart attack (mind you he was watching Formula 1 in the Schumacher dominating days, so no one was surprised)
)? I don't believe the FAA do any ECG's nowadays. They don't really show anything, a friends dad had an ECG due to chest pains on a saturday, it was totally normal. On sunday he died of a massive heart attack (mind you he was watching Formula 1 in the Schumacher dominating days, so no one was surprised)
