Gliding again?
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Gliding again?
Hello to all you nice people out there on Pprune. I am seeking advice and tips from the experienced and knowledgeable amongst you on the vast subject of gliding. To narrow it down somewhat, let me explain.....
Many many years ago, (when there were numerous black sheds in Farnborough) I used to go gliding and loved it, but family and finance meant that had to stop. Now retired I have booked some lessons to try and recapture (one of) the joys of my youth. What I knew I have no doubt forgotten, so I will be starting from scratch.
Do you reckon I am kidding myself or do I have some hope of actually going solo? What does that entail as regards theory, exams, medical etc. Are there any books you might recommend?
I would be most grateful for any comments.
Shedsie
aka The Last Black Shed
Many many years ago, (when there were numerous black sheds in Farnborough) I used to go gliding and loved it, but family and finance meant that had to stop. Now retired I have booked some lessons to try and recapture (one of) the joys of my youth. What I knew I have no doubt forgotten, so I will be starting from scratch.
Do you reckon I am kidding myself or do I have some hope of actually going solo? What does that entail as regards theory, exams, medical etc. Are there any books you might recommend?
I would be most grateful for any comments.
Shedsie
aka The Last Black Shed
) since I did gliding, but I'd have thought the first move would be to seek out your local gliding club(s). Nip along there and have a chat to members, and maybe a trial flight.
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Going Solo: Of course you can 
Theory: None
Exams: None - until you approach Bronze 'C'
Medical: Same as for an HGV
Much more information on BGA Website along with a useful map to find your nearest club.
OC619
Theory: None
Exams: None - until you approach Bronze 'C'
Medical: Same as for an HGV
Much more information on BGA Website along with a useful map to find your nearest club.
OC619
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I resumed last month after a 25 year lapse. Now many may find this hard to believe, but the club I was in at that time did not have yaw strings (just slip-skid balls); so, I am spending considerable time working out how to keep the string pointed back at all times
It's generally a different instructor every time and in several aspects what one instructor beats you over the head for is considerably different from what another instructor expects.
Also there have been quite a few changes to the instruction syllabus in the last 25 years; so, what was expected then may be frowned upon today
The upshot is that it would not hurt to review the club's student manual.
It's generally a different instructor every time and in several aspects what one instructor beats you over the head for is considerably different from what another instructor expects.
Also there have been quite a few changes to the instruction syllabus in the last 25 years; so, what was expected then may be frowned upon today
The upshot is that it would not hurt to review the club's student manual.
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RBF,
Having started gliding after getting a PPL someone gave me some good advice:
OC619
Having started gliding after getting a PPL someone gave me some good advice:
Since you are already used to "squeezing the ball into the centre" the yaw string will totally confuse you. DON'T concentrate on the top of the string - squeeze the BOTTOM of the string under the top with the rudder.
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There is no upper age limit on going solo, it's just on ability to handle the glider including emergencies. Most clubs have 70+ year-olds flying solo, many with people only starting after retirement and going on OK to solo.
For somebody starting off without experience, a typical number of launches to solo is 30 plus the number of years in your age (or up to double that for slow learners). With prior experience, it should be less - some bits you never forget, rather like riding a bike.
If you have time, go for a 5-day course - you will learn (re-learn) faster.
Equipment and teaching techniques are better than the old days.
If you can afford it, I would recommend aerotowing. Winch launches are very quick - the old brain finds it hard to keep ahead of the glider and monitor speed, attitude, sound, altitude etc., and react quickly enough and correctly when it goes wrong (as simulated cable breaks will prove all too well). Costs more per flight, but may well be as cheap overall or even cheaper, to get to acceptable solo standard. Just my opinion - others may disagree.
Chris N.
For somebody starting off without experience, a typical number of launches to solo is 30 plus the number of years in your age (or up to double that for slow learners). With prior experience, it should be less - some bits you never forget, rather like riding a bike.
If you have time, go for a 5-day course - you will learn (re-learn) faster.
Equipment and teaching techniques are better than the old days.
If you can afford it, I would recommend aerotowing. Winch launches are very quick - the old brain finds it hard to keep ahead of the glider and monitor speed, attitude, sound, altitude etc., and react quickly enough and correctly when it goes wrong (as simulated cable breaks will prove all too well). Costs more per flight, but may well be as cheap overall or even cheaper, to get to acceptable solo standard. Just my opinion - others may disagree.
Chris N.
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TLBS,
Can't offer any direct advice etc as it's over thirty years since I had a go - but very good on you!
As far as keeping the "yaw string" in the middle - it's easy! Imagine another string running across the cockpit and joining the ends of your boots. Imagine the aircraft's "yaw string" is tied to the middle of your "boot-string".
As strings can't push, only pull, stretching your toes "pulls" the string back into the middle.
String out to the right? Pull it back by applying some left boot.
String to the left? Pull it back with right boot.
BTW, I flew over that "Last Black Shed" on Friday, on my way south!
Can't offer any direct advice etc as it's over thirty years since I had a go - but very good on you!
As far as keeping the "yaw string" in the middle - it's easy! Imagine another string running across the cockpit and joining the ends of your boots. Imagine the aircraft's "yaw string" is tied to the middle of your "boot-string".
As strings can't push, only pull, stretching your toes "pulls" the string back into the middle.
String out to the right? Pull it back by applying some left boot.
String to the left? Pull it back with right boot.
BTW, I flew over that "Last Black Shed" on Friday, on my way south!
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Thank you all very much for your encouragement and advice ( though I must admit that the bit about yaw strings was a bit over my head )
I am quite excited at the prospect of getting airborne again.
Thanks especially for the link OC619, very informative.
I have booked a lesson for next month and will report back on how it goes.
I was particularly delighted to learn from Shy Torque that I am still standing, hope you gave me a wave
Thanks again, watch this space,
Shedsie
)I am quite excited at the prospect of getting airborne again.
Thanks especially for the link OC619, very informative.
I have booked a lesson for next month and will report back on how it goes.
I was particularly delighted to learn from Shy Torque that I am still standing, hope you gave me a wave
Thanks again, watch this space,
Shedsie
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Medical Standards
OC619
The HGV medical only applies to Instructors or passenger carrying. Solo flight only requires standard car driving fitness. I've been up and down the scale a couple of times in the last three years. I've only put this in as its cheaper usually than going for the HGV medical, depending of course on your GP.
The HGV medical only applies to Instructors or passenger carrying. Solo flight only requires standard car driving fitness. I've been up and down the scale a couple of times in the last three years. I've only put this in as its cheaper usually than going for the HGV medical, depending of course on your GP.
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Slipped the surly bonds etc.
Well, I have done it!!
My first glider launch since those heady Farnborough days of my youth!! (Cody was still using his tree when I was there
)
As you so kindly predicted, it was absolutely great, fantastic, incredible. I don't think I have landed yet!! My most grateful thanks to a very kind, even flattering, instructor, but I did remember a lot more than I expected. Especially all the hanging around windy airfields, having a good gossip with the friendly club members
So, I am now determined to continue and the poor old doggies may have to go without bones occasionally to finance the learning process.
Thank you again for your support ... I will update now and again, but do let me know if I turn into a gliding bore
Shedsie
My first glider launch since those heady Farnborough days of my youth!! (Cody was still using his tree when I was there
) As you so kindly predicted, it was absolutely great, fantastic, incredible. I don't think I have landed yet!! My most grateful thanks to a very kind, even flattering, instructor, but I did remember a lot more than I expected. Especially all the hanging around windy airfields, having a good gossip with the friendly club members
So, I am now determined to continue and the poor old doggies may have to go without bones occasionally to finance the learning process.
Thank you again for your support ... I will update now and again, but do let me know if I turn into a gliding bore
Shedsie
A Glider?
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No hero me,
....I just have a touching faith in folk with Pilot Instructor labels on their flying suits. He/she aint going to do anything hairy when we are both in the same boat, so to speak.
Anyway, I am reliably informed that engines are for wimps
Only don't let my daughter hear me say that or I will be in deep ... er...do-do!
Interesting taking control of a fibreglass craft though, as opposed to hauling a wooden glider round the sky. Such a sensitive, well-mannered little aircraft, I shall have to leave my hobnail boots at home next time.
Shedsie
....I just have a touching faith in folk with Pilot Instructor labels on their flying suits. He/she aint going to do anything hairy when we are both in the same boat, so to speak.
Anyway, I am reliably informed that engines are for wimps
Only don't let my daughter hear me say that or I will be in deep ... er...do-do! Interesting taking control of a fibreglass craft though, as opposed to hauling a wooden glider round the sky. Such a sensitive, well-mannered little aircraft, I shall have to leave my hobnail boots at home next time.
Shedsie
