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Old 17th May 2006, 22:53
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Folks

some may want new shiny books to keep as a PPL memory but you can find most Trevor Thom books or any other series on ebay going for as little as a pound. Even if they are the older editions, it doesn;t really matter.

Also, if you are interested in the full story, it's good to have the complete book.
But if you only want to pass the test, the confuser will be more than sufficient.

Stuff like Human Performance, R/T... don't really need the book unless you want to read it all for your own interest.
But as far as the test is concerned, the confuser will do the trick !

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Even if they are the older editions, it doesn;t really matter.
Some subjects have changed drastically - in particular, Air Law. An older edition really won't do; certain things will be wrong. Some of those may be things you need to know in order not to get prosecuted by the CAA, never mind just passing the test.

Also, if you are interested in the full story, it's good to have the complete book.
But if you only want to pass the test, the confuser will be more than sufficient.
If you want to be a pilot, you need to be "interested in the full story" for such subjects as nav and met. Just passing the test is not enough.
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Mazzy are you secretly getting all your buddies to vote me down and poach em back?
Plan foiled!

Ben - please don't just rely on the confuser, I have never understood this approach, and if flying is something you like (which it obviously is) then you should find reading the subjects enjoyable (Air Law can be boring, but after you have a few hours under your belt it is easier to relate to the material in practice).

My advice is to start the exams as soon as you can, starting with Air Law and finishing with Nav (this is just my opinion and found that it fitted in well with the syllabus of the course). Make sure you can get the PPL within 18 months of passing your first exam though, otherwise you will have to resit...

Cheers,

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Ben,I totally support what Lee says.
Try not to think of the exams as a load of old tosh that needs to be learned and passed parrot fashion,some of the info in all the subjects could save your life.
My method was to read the Thom books cover to cover and then do the Q&A at the end of each section until I knew the subject ,also had a one to one ground school instructor for an hour or so for each subject,at £15 /hour.
I never used the confuser.
Failed a couple first time but can't remember which ones now,I think I got 70% for the fails.
As soon as I had finished and passed one subject I immediately moved on to the next.
The most important thing is your mindset,if you think "why am I learning all this stuff,I just want to be out there flying" it will make it very hard work.

All the time I was doing the exams I was thinking " A lot of this is really useful,some maybe not so useful,but I need to learn all this and get the exams if I want a pilots licence"

I did them all and I was 63 last week,and believe me it is harder to learn stuff as you get older.
Anyway good luck with the studies.
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i have no plan of just bluffing the exams, although i've sold the Trevor Thom books as i didn't like them. Bought the Pratt 5.

raviolis, i'm suprised at your post, i don't think its the attitude to start with.

next you'll be bluffing you're way through the pre flight and meeting a sticky end

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If you want to be a pilot, you need to be "interested in the full story" for such subjects as nav and met. Just passing the test is not enough.
agree. And I didn't mention nav and met or any specific examples. I'm just saying that there are ways to save you time and money and let you concentrate on more important stuff. A complete set of brand new books might cost you 200 quid, if you save that you can spend it on 2 extra flight lessons which will make you a better and safer pilot.
Trust me, I am "interested in the full story" more than you might think. One thing is "passing a test" and another is "having knowledge". I used the confuser to pass the test. I read manuals and other sources of information to improve my knowledge.
If you are not on a budget, then go for it. If , like me, you're working 2 jobs to finance your training you simply don't have the time to memorise every single small print in the book.
I doubt that knowing the "Lettering for Nationality and Registration Marks" will make you a better and safer pilot.

raviolis, i'm suprised at your post, i don't think its the attitude to start with.

next you'll be bluffing you're way through the pre flight and meeting a sticky end
disagree. I am able to tell the difference between red tape and important safety matters. But forgive me if one day I'll forget the revalidation dates for a motor glider license... Even then, you can still read them up in a manual if you need to know it. Doubt that will hit me one day in the air in the middle of a crosswind landing "Oh wish I had memorised the contents of the JAR-FCL3 !" :-)

c'mon guys a bit of common sense !
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Good point, and well presented. Differing views here, as we love on pprune. Having recently passed law for the second time (the first expired) I can see where all the combatants here are going. Yes, it is very important to have the full picture. Indeed, more than saving you from a prosecution, it could even save your life knowing things like two aircraft meeting head on, both turn right for instance. But will knowing what colour an AIP admin ammendment is really save your bacon at 5000' with it all going Pete Tongue quickly?

There needs to be an element of common sense here, and not just the posters on this thread, but as far as the regulators who set the exams. For my money, the exam should be in two parts. The stuff that you need to know in the air straight away, differing types of airspace, what to do approaching cloud in relation to your licence priveleges and so-on. The second part should then be "book-in" Knowing what colours the circulars are really isn't important in the air, but could be very important on the ground in the planning phase of a flight. But let's be sensible here, if you want to know that you will ask if you are in the breifing roon wont you?

However, as usual in aviation, everything is done for a reason, and normally a good one at that. If there is a book called law, and exam of the same title, don't learn to just pass the exam, learn the whole subject and learn it well. Remember just one thing about this activity. It is bloody dangerous, it must be my insurance company say so. But seriously, this is the only mode of transport EVER, where you cannot stop if it goes pear shaped. There is no hard shoulder in the sky, if it goes wrong you need to know how to put it right, and quick, and that becomes the foundation of what makes a great pilot, the skill of airmanship, something that is as much an attitude as a skill, and cannot be taught without input from the individual. If you have the attitude of not wanting to know the subject and scrape through the exams, then you will apply that to your flying, and I don't really want to share the skies on that basis thanks all the same.

Yes the exam structure could be better, and yes, elements of it are hard to fathom as to why are they asking about that? But it is there, someone more qualified than I am may be able to answer that, but work within the spirit of the rules and not to the letter of them.

Finally remember a few old sayings... (lots of them in flying isn't there?)
Learn by the mistakes of others, you wont live long enough to make them all yourself.
The old and bold pilots one
And every time you remove something of safety you add danger!

And don't forget this, it is quite literally carved in stone outside the CAA at Gatwick, "Safety is no accident"
Nuff said
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I found i learnt more through chatting with my instructor than the books; Trev Thom is boring as hell.
Managed to pass all the exams without either, and my Thom books look like new and if anyone would like...drop me a PM.

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Dangerous?

CLP stated:
It is bloody dangerous, it must be my insurance company say so.

I haven't really considered GA to be dangerous but does anyone have any exp. of loading of Life premiums?
I used to race motorcycles ( including the IOM ) and my life cover broker had a canary when I told them and the insurance company lightened my wallet accordingly but I felt this was probably justified. ( they don't consider my use of a bike on the roads loadable although statistically this is a higher risk than racing)
Of course the insurance company could not recall this loading of my premiium when I retired from competition and I had no paperwork to prove it .
Insurance guys:friends when not wanted/not friends when needed.

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Just moseyed over here from zero to 45...

Oh good, another PPL diary. I can't really get enough of them. Plus as an expat it's interesting to see the comparison between flying here and back in Blighty. Here I spend about A$203 per hour dual (£81) and I've only ever had one lesson cancelled I think. But I can't fly over castles...

Ben, I had a flight in a 150 last weekend (http://www.iainhosking.com/flying/training/lesson24.php) and we were squashed in like sardines. It was quite difficult to fly with my elbows pressed against my sides. It also needed a fair amount of runway to lug our carcasses into the sky. I'm used to a tandem taildragger (Citabria) which feels comparatively roomy - mind you it looks snug in the back! I had a flight in a PA-28 back in November and it was very spacious, though it felt a bit sedate after the Citabria.

On the subject of weather, I'm coming back to the UK in December for a visit, and I'm wondering what the likelihood is of fitting in a flight or two. I probably won't have my PPL by that time (at my current rate) so I'd need an instructor. Somwhere around Stirling would suit me well - eg Cumbernauld, Fife, Perth...

Anyway, welcome to the air Ben. You'll enjoy every aspect I'm sure (yes, even the exams, if you're prepared). I flew my first solo on 29 April and have another lesson booked tomorrow. I can't wait.

Iain

(P.S. Hi Kookabat - see you at Camden sometime?)

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Old 19th May 2006, 07:10
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G'day Mr Dingbat...
Better be a good day weather-wise tomorrow - have two hours booked myself (outta BK though).
I'll be around Camden eventually.... gotta wait for the $$ to come through so I can start on a taildragger. One day!!
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Well, wasnt sure where to put this, Mazzys or here so tossed a coin and here I am.

Been doing circuits for a few hours and at first just couldnt get it.

The first attempts at circuits and landings were in blustery conditions and my instructor aborted the lesson after the first attempt at a landing.
Twice this happened.

At last we got into a full hours lesson and proceeded to do a few touch and goes. This first lesson was more demonstrations with me attempting it while my instructor had his hands and feet firmly on the controls to make sure we got down and away again in one piece.

2nd session came along and I just couldnt get it.
Flare too late, too early and when i got it right, started to balloon (not too bad though) ah well, next time I told myself.

3rd session came and what do you know, I was landing, not too bad and consistent until the final landing, great approach, power off and round out at 10 - 15 feet, flying level and then the dreaded balloon. Arghhh.

4th session came along and it wasnt too bad a day (wednesday just gone) not too hot, or too windy and into the circuits i went once more.
Approach good, flare good and nicely levelled out, slowly dropped towards the runway holding the nose up and touchdown, good start to the day.
Four more of the same followed with some EFTO (engine failure on takeoff) practices and then the final to land.
All good and then taxied back to the apron where my instructor called the tower to announce a crew change, captains name and told them it was to be my first solo.
Turned to me and said "you OK?, off you go then"
GULP, no time to worry, Radioed for taxi,
Cleared to taxy to Bravo and hold.
Taxied to Bravo, power checks completed, called ready for departure.
Cleared to line up and wait 21.
Lined up and then got the call" cleared take of 21, left hand circuit"
This was it, no time to worry, off I went, climbed out quite fast without my instructor at my side, 500' and turned to climb to 1000'.
Levelled out and turned for downwind leg, called downwind to land.
Report final, no 1 to land was the reply.
Completed checks, BUMPFICHH, still no time to take it in that i was alone and then i was turning left base.
Carb heat, power back to 1800 and 1st stage of flap down, keep speed at 80 knots.
This was it.
Turned onto final approach, made the call and then as the runway was ahead of me, it started to hit me that this was really it, I was on my own.
500', 2nd stage of flap and the runway loomed ever larger.
Kept my aiming point in the same point of the screen all the way down, power back, round out and fly it straight and level, slowly dropping and trying to keep the nose off until the last possible minute, remembering everything I had been taught, then a little bump and I was down.

Tower came on the radio with "backtrack 21, exit via alpha to park on the apron and congratulations"

I duly came to a halt as instructed and emerged to greet my instructor.
I was grinning from ear to ear as he shook my hand and congratulated me.
What a feeling.

Its a one off and you have yours to come still Ben.
Enjoy it mate, theres no finer feeling.
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Solo

Bahn-Jeaux,
Congratulations,and well done.
Like you ,it was a bit of " I can't believe I'm up here doing this on my own!"
Well done again.
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Well done Bahn-Jeaux, you'll never forget it.

Remember there are three rules for making the perfect landing; trouble is no-one knows what they are.
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I was grinning from ear to ear
And you will be for a few days to come. And you will want to tell everyone.

You are now, officially, a pilot.

Congratulations.
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Congratulations BJ

How many hours were you at when you did 1st solo?

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Yes, most life insurance companies class this as a dangerous sport. The CIS wanted to load my life insurance for my mortgage by about 300%, and most other insurance companies are the same. However, I found a broker on the South Coast that has negotiated with Legal and Genital and has managed to persuade them that the car journey to the airfield is more dangerous (which it is). Therefore, through these guys, I got a good deal. I can't remember the name of them now, but they do advertise in all the pilot mags, give them a ring. And a word of warning for everyone else. Most companies will not bother about the odd trial lesson, but if you are a ppl at whatever stage beware, your life insurance might not be valid in a crash!!

And along with everyone else here, congratulation BJ on your first solo. I'll let you into a little secret, those that say the smile wears off in a couple of weeks are lying. I did mine over 2 years ago, and I still smile about it now. The certificate is hung on my office wall for all to see!!!
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Ben, had just completed my 15th hour when I went.
Instructor told me I would have gone on the previous lesson but for the last balloon on that session.
Its not as far away as you may think.

Thanks for all the support, I am still grinning and doing it in my mind over and over.
Ahh, bliss.

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Talking

Sorry to hijack your thread, Ben. I also just did my first solo at the weekend.
After many frustrating circuit sessions where I seemed to be unable to judge the hold-off without ballooning, it was a total surprise to me on Saturday when I realised that I had "cured" my balloon. Seven successful circuits with my instructor, with an EFATO thrown in for good measure, and then he made the call to the tower telling them he was getting out and it would be my first solo.
The circuit itself was uneventful and fairly relaxing. I made a point of looking out of the window (as you're supposed to under VFR!) and enjoying it.
After landing, the tower said "G-OM, well done! Vacate at Whisky and taxi to the tower..." (...to collect my instructor who'd been watching from there).
What an amazing feeling.
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Graham congratulations, you are officially a flying scotsman.

Unlike me today, lesson cancelled due to weather. Better luck for next monday, also got my law exam the same afternoon. Nice way to spend a bank holiday.


On another note I booked an eye test for this friday to prepare for the medical. Has anyone else got borderline vision and how was it dealt with?

Ben (Not fat, just short for my weight) Coulthard
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