Weekend in the Isle of Man
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By the way what are fuel prices like at Ronaldsway?
Gcolyer, do you know runway lengths at Andreas it sounds a very useful bolt hole for the famous manx weather clamp down also do you talk to anyone radio wise when using it?
Jodelman if I wanted economy I would never have started flying, still might be good to know if the weather turns REALLY crap while we are there!
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Gcolyer, do you know runway lengths at Andreas it sounds a very useful bolt hole for the famous manx weather clamp down also do you talk to anyone radio wise when using it?
Jodelman if I wanted economy I would never have started flying, still might be good to know if the weather turns REALLY crap while we are there!
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Originally Posted by gcolyer
You may well do. I am not 100% sure. The aircraft i use belong to a friend of the land owner so i have never had to cross that bridge. i know other people use the airfield as well. I can try to find out.
That would be great! A contact number would be brilliant! If you'd prefer to pm rather than post, that's fine.
I'd love to return to the IOM, but £45 is a bit off putting for what we got.
Didn't hear anything about a club car.
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I am not sure on the RWY lengths, i would say they are at least 750 meters.
I have the name of the two guys that own the land, i am just waiting for a number now. I have been told there is a £10 landing fee for singles and £20 for twins.
When you land there you need to sign in and out, you also need to fill in a customs form while there and don't forget special branch.
As for fuel there is none there, but i know a guy that might sell some and bring it up in Jerry cans. Mind you during TT he takes his bowser up there.
I have the name of the two guys that own the land, i am just waiting for a number now. I have been told there is a £10 landing fee for singles and £20 for twins.
When you land there you need to sign in and out, you also need to fill in a customs form while there and don't forget special branch.
As for fuel there is none there, but i know a guy that might sell some and bring it up in Jerry cans. Mind you during TT he takes his bowser up there.
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Here's a chart I made for Andreas some time ago.
Note that this was for my own use and I cannot verify ANY of the data is accurate any more. The picture is probably still current though..
Note that this was for my own use and I cannot verify ANY of the data is accurate any more. The picture is probably still current though..
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Thanks for that!
I'll give that phone number a call, next time I'm planning on going to the IOM, and see if he still owns the place!
Would be great to have somewhere a bit more reasonable to go!
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I'll give that phone number a call, next time I'm planning on going to the IOM, and see if he still owns the place!
Would be great to have somewhere a bit more reasonable to go!
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A full size version can be got here - Andreas_L.gif
I modelled it on the Pooley layout so I could paste it into my copy of the book. The map is accurate - I flew in there many years ago when it was considered inactive.
I modelled it on the Pooley layout so I could paste it into my copy of the book. The map is accurate - I flew in there many years ago when it was considered inactive.
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Thanks again guys
Jabberwok I am humbled by your flight preperation, truly awesome, many thanks for sharing the results of your labours. (have you been anywhere else off the beaten track and as useful as this?)
Any knowledge of fuel prices at Ronaldsway anyone?
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Jabberwok I am humbled by your flight preperation, truly awesome, many thanks for sharing the results of your labours. (have you been anywhere else off the beaten track and as useful as this?)
Any knowledge of fuel prices at Ronaldsway anyone?
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I think i paid £1.31 a few weeks back. If you are looking at going to Cardiff then i would recommend Upfield Farm. It is a few miles East of Cardiff.
Costs £10 to land
Rental Car £10 for a weekend
No overnight fees
No fuel
The RWY is 640x10. If on approach to 05 you literaly fly between two houses, on climb out from 05 you need to pretty much start a right turn unless you want to fly in to pylons.
I have been in with a Cessna 337 and 4 people.
Costs £10 to land
Rental Car £10 for a weekend
No overnight fees
No fuel
The RWY is 640x10. If on approach to 05 you literaly fly between two houses, on climb out from 05 you need to pretty much start a right turn unless you want to fly in to pylons.
I have been in with a Cessna 337 and 4 people.
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Have you been anywhere else off the beaten track and as useful as this?
I have the complete data for Jurby too but in AIP format. Not much use for anyone as the only time you can go in there is for the annual air show.
Now that Google Earth is around you can make quite good plates for most airfields - assuming they are found in the high res photo areas. A few minutes with PSP or Photoshop can give you a very nice plate.
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Just by way of follow up to all those who were helpful enough to reply.
My wife and I had an interesting trip, Saturday travelled to IOM 2hrs 10 mins lovelly flight absolutely no problems. The guy at Manx flyers was efficient and helpful and soon had us away in their hire car for a very pleasant weekend.
Sunday afternoon departed for Rochester with resonable met but by the time we got to Liverpool discretion was the order of the day and we requested a weather diversion into Hawarden were we ended up overnight. (If anyone needs a good hotel for the night in the Chester area, I can recommend the Chester Court Hotel on Hoole Road, thanks to my helpful taxi driver).
Monday we spent the day at Hawarden ATC waiting for the weather to improve and eventualy got away late afternoon.
By the time we got to the DTY vor the cloud base was lowering and it was starting to rain and when we contacted Luton we were refused a transit so turned east to cut through the gap. We got as far as Cranfield when I decided that the weather was getting beyond a joke so requested another weather diversion into Cranfield. We have a friend in MK so was able to arrange transport and a bed for the night and then spent a long morning with the guys at Cranfield waiting for a window, wich eventually arrived about 12:30 and we were able to complete our fight to Rochester.
So 2 hours there, 2 days back, probably not a record but a further incentive to find the time to get round to doing that IMCR.
Anyway thanks again to all who took the trouble to answer my questions, all useful advice, I flew over Andreas on a lap of the island and it looks to be a very useful alternative and very much in use.
Nigel
My wife and I had an interesting trip, Saturday travelled to IOM 2hrs 10 mins lovelly flight absolutely no problems. The guy at Manx flyers was efficient and helpful and soon had us away in their hire car for a very pleasant weekend.
Sunday afternoon departed for Rochester with resonable met but by the time we got to Liverpool discretion was the order of the day and we requested a weather diversion into Hawarden were we ended up overnight. (If anyone needs a good hotel for the night in the Chester area, I can recommend the Chester Court Hotel on Hoole Road, thanks to my helpful taxi driver).
Monday we spent the day at Hawarden ATC waiting for the weather to improve and eventualy got away late afternoon.
By the time we got to the DTY vor the cloud base was lowering and it was starting to rain and when we contacted Luton we were refused a transit so turned east to cut through the gap. We got as far as Cranfield when I decided that the weather was getting beyond a joke so requested another weather diversion into Cranfield. We have a friend in MK so was able to arrange transport and a bed for the night and then spent a long morning with the guys at Cranfield waiting for a window, wich eventually arrived about 12:30 and we were able to complete our fight to Rochester.
So 2 hours there, 2 days back, probably not a record but a further incentive to find the time to get round to doing that IMCR.
Anyway thanks again to all who took the trouble to answer my questions, all useful advice, I flew over Andreas on a lap of the island and it looks to be a very useful alternative and very much in use.
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What a way to answer those who questioned if you had the experience to make a good weather call!
Well done. Not only on making the flight sucessfully, but also on handling the weather issues with a professional attitude!
My first overnight trip as a PPL was to the Outer Hebridies, and like you, the trip there was uneventful, and the one home was a struggle with the weather which involved two extra nights!
It serves to highlight the point I made about VFR touring in my first post.
I'm sure it's a point you understand very well now 
If it's any consolation, I haven't had to spend an extra night anywhere else in the 18 months and many trips since then! Hopefully you'll have a similar run of good luck too
I hope you enjoyed your time on the Isle too.
Any pics to share with us???
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Well done. Not only on making the flight sucessfully, but also on handling the weather issues with a professional attitude!
My first overnight trip as a PPL was to the Outer Hebridies, and like you, the trip there was uneventful, and the one home was a struggle with the weather which involved two extra nights!
It serves to highlight the point I made about VFR touring in my first post.
The trick to VFR touring, is to make sure you have nothing at all planned for the day after your return (well no meetings etc), and nothing that can't be pushed back for the rest of the week. Important meetings, or approaching deadlines and VFR touring don't really go well together, in my experience. Once you do this, most of the pressure if taken away from you, and an extra day or two at your destination isn't too much of a problem.
If it's any consolation, I haven't had to spend an extra night anywhere else in the 18 months and many trips since then! Hopefully you'll have a similar run of good luck too
I hope you enjoyed your time on the Isle too.
Any pics to share with us???
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Happy to say both Hawarden and Cranfield waived all charges as weather diversions. Shame taxis/hotels/restaurants/tescos (run out of underpants and socks!) don't work the same scheme.
Joking aside I highly applaud the weather diversion scheme and top marks to all the airfields that have already signed up to it and lets hope the rest do soon. Worrying about potential landing fees is a pressure you can do without when conditions deteriorate to the extent of needing to land, a large airfield with good facilities and lots of lights is a very welcome sight.
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Happy to say both Hawarden and Cranfield waived all charges as weather diversions. Shame taxis/hotels/restaurants/tescos (run out of underpants and socks!) don't work the same scheme.
Joking aside I highly applaud the weather diversion scheme and top marks to all the airfields that have already signed up to it and lets hope the rest do soon. Worrying about potential landing fees is a pressure you can do without when conditions deteriorate to the extent of needing to land, a large airfield with good facilities and lots of lights is a very welcome sight.
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sorry your post crossed with mine, thank you for your comments and yes we had a most enjoyable time, if anythig enhanced by the unexpected extra nights "on tour", all good experience.
I will look through our pics tonight and sort out a few to post.
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sorry your post crossed with mine, thank you for your comments and yes we had a most enjoyable time, if anythig enhanced by the unexpected extra nights "on tour", all good experience.
I will look through our pics tonight and sort out a few to post.
Nigel
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Hopefully pictures as promised
Jurby
Andreas
Last view of IOM
Approaching Liverpool
Liverpool windfarm
Shot 3 and 5 were taken less than 30 minutes apart - shows how fast the weather can change.
Jurby
Andreas
Last view of IOM
Approaching Liverpool
Liverpool windfarm
Shot 3 and 5 were taken less than 30 minutes apart - shows how fast the weather can change.
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Lovely pics Nigel.
Often the cloud base over land and see is very different. In my limited experience it's usually better over the sea than over land, but I may just be lucky with that!
Jurby looks like a significant and active airfield. I hadn't realised that. I wonder is it available to GA?
Thanks for the pic!
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Often the cloud base over land and see is very different. In my limited experience it's usually better over the sea than over land, but I may just be lucky with that!
Jurby looks like a significant and active airfield. I hadn't realised that. I wonder is it available to GA?
Thanks for the pic!
dp